Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #206

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  • #681
The elements have to be met ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’ in the eyes of the jury. Not with absolute certainty. Is my understanding correct?
Yes, but reasonable doubt is the greatest/highest standard we have in our legal system. There should be no reasonable question in their mind that RA committed each element. What is reasonable is obviously subjective.
 
  • #682
So does this mean he could not have taken pictures because the tower dump would have showed he had his phone on?
Remember the Defense stating he was out of there by 2:15pm?

Did he have his phone and turn it to flight mode just before he started his quick journey or partway across that bridge to catch up to the girls? IIRC, one can still take pics while in flight mode too.

Edit to add:

And perhaps it was a burner phone, a pay-as-you-go so to speak. Pehaps, unlike Rex Heuermann, he never connected to the wifi at his house, so they could never track that particular phone to an individual.

But, perhps they have the cell data for it and watched it wander around Delphi pinging off towers there before and after the crimes ... and go into flight mode approx 2:15pm on 13 Feb 2017. Goes a long way to explaining the "we know you're from around here and are hiding in plain sight" statements from LE too.

All IMO of course.
 
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  • #683
Galipeau said Allen was first watched by other inmates before correctional officers. News 8’s Kyla Russell reports this shift only happened after he received legal mail on April 3, 2023.

This is of note. This would mean that other inmates were not watching him and whispering discovery to him at all hours forcing him to confess…

JMO
You're kidding, right? It's hard to tell these days. ;)
 
  • #684
Correction Officer Michael Clemons told jurors he was a “suicide companion” assigned to record everything Allen said while in prison.

According to Clemons, on April 6, 2023, Allen confessed to killing the girls. He quoted Allen as saying, “God I’m so glad no one gave up on me after I killed Abby and Libby.”

“I killed Abby and Libby all by myself, nobody helped me,” Allen is also accused of saying.


Clemons also told jurors that Allen shouted to other inmates, “I’m not crazy, I’m only acting like I’m crazy.”

During cross-examination, Clemons told Allen’s attorneys that he never felt Allen’s crazed behavior was genuine.

 
  • #685
It's a denial, but how he makes the denial is indeed interesting.

Makes me wonder WHEN he was going to shoot himself. At first blush one could assume it was the night of the domestic call (prior to the murders having been committed). So why add the second part of the sentence? "I don't have psychological issues because I went out and killed two girls." This makes me wonder if some other event occurred around his mental health. One that occurred AFTER the murder of the two girls.

Just an odd denial IMO.
"I don't have psychological issues because I went out and killed two girls."

Was that the end of it or did he elaborate on his issues root cause?
 
  • #686
At 12:45 p.m. on April 7, 2023, Allen said: "Dear Lord, forgive me for molesting Abby, Libby and Chris," according to a log kept by Michael Roberts, a correctional officer at Westville.

Allen said repeated the same confession later, but added that he also molested Kevin. It's unclear who Chris and Kevin are. Allen confessed a few more times that month.

 
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Clemons’ log from April 6, 2023, was displayed to the court. The following time stamps are quotes Clemons documented from Allen.

7:30 a.m.: “God, I am so glad nobody game up on me after I killed Abby and Libby.”

8:01 a.m.: “I, Richard Matthew Allen, killed Abby and Libby all by myself, nobody helped me.”

8:03 a.m.: “I am not crazy, I am only acting like I’m crazy.”


I really hope they have this recorded, this would be perfect!
 
  • #689
On April 23, Allen again allegedly confessed to killing the girls. The next day, Roberts said Allen asked, “How do I prove that I’m insane?”

Roberts was asked about Allen’s mental state and said he was trained to notice signs of mental health disorders. He claimed Allen did “more outrageous things” when guards were watching and claimed Allen “only acted up when lawyers came.”

Some of the ways Allen “acted up” included: rubbing feces on the walls and on himself, hitting his face against the wall until it swelled up and rolling around on the floor. Allen told guards he was called a “baby killer” by other inmates and would be told to kill himself.

 
  • #690
Well this sounds like others knew, doesn't it?

“God I’m so glad no one gave up on me after I killed Abby and Libby.”
 
  • #691
I agree but some people completely dismiss circumstantial evidence. It's a feature of every single discussion about the Idaho case. I'd like to believe the court of public opinion isn't as important as the justice system but I bet RA and his family would argue otherwise.

Yes, some people dismiss it readily. Which is why some prosecutors will often explain circumstantial evidence (and how to utilize it in drawing a possible conclusion).

jmo
 
  • #692
Well this sounds like others knew, doesn't it?

“God I’m so glad no one gave up on me after I killed Abby and Libby.”
Either that or maybe, that his family didn't 'sense' it in him and gave up on him?

But also IDK how families work. Maybe he convinced them he repented and they didn't want to lose him. I honestly don't know.
 
  • #693
Well this sounds like others knew, doesn't it?

“God I’m so glad no one gave up on me after I killed Abby and Libby.”
It says “game up on Me”

I’m assuming it was a typo and he said “came up on me”

We will see
 
  • #694
Especially when there’s no device amplifying the voice of those giving testimony. It’s one thing to deny live TV trial coverage in the courtroom but not to provide microphones is another criticism of the trial. ⚖️

Just jumping off your post...

I DO respect the decision of Judge Gull to not allow cameras/audio/video in the court...

However... I have my reservations if this is the best decision in light of the assertion that court transparency to the public is important in the checks and balances in our democracy...

I wonder if... post trial...
this judge may find she may modify this decision in trials going further?

And/or if she may regret this decision in this case...

All just thoughts of mine...
 
  • #695
Just to clarify... his first confession was on 5 March 2023? And he didn't receive the legal paperwork until 5 April 2023? Is that correct?
And no box cutter information was ever included in discovery?
 
  • #696
So with the current timeline coming out, he began to give the very direct confessions just a couple of days after receiving legal mail, which I would assume was a ton of discovery. It’s almost like a switch flipped, and we know it wasn’t because other inmates were watching him now. Very interesting.

JMO
 
  • #697
"I don't have psychological issues because I went out and killed two girls."

Was that the end of it or did he elaborate on his issues root cause?
In the context of the police station interview, I’m thinking he meant he may have some psych issues, but it is not because of killing two girls.

jmo
 
  • #698
Just to clarify... his first confession was on 5 March 2023? And he didn't receive the legal paperwork until 5 April 2023? Is that correct?
And no box cutter information was ever included in discovery?
“The jury chimed in for questions, asking what was inside the yellow envelope from April 5, 2023, which Drang said was the interview request. News 8’s Kyla Russell mentioned that there is a huge discrepancy on when the interview request came in. There was a note on the yellow envelope from Warden Galipeau, saying “Received March 5, 2023,” though Drang did not receive the note until April 5.”
 
  • #699
Doesn't sound like he remembered what footwear he had (I wouldn't have either)... I wonder, did the LE ever test whatever footwear of his they did find in case there was blood or whatever still available to forensics testers? Moo & a question.
And yet, he doesn't say, "that's not me!!" in the photo.

He says, "that isn't me if it's from one of the girl's phones".
 
  • #700
Jumping off your post ... if I may.

And, with respect, and to be precise, RA and his Defense don't need to prove anything. It is the State that bears the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

So far, it's my understanding from the the testimony about the creation of the enlarged BG image is - that it was a person ("BG") captured for two seconds in the far distance of Libby's video. That image was then professionally manipulated, enhanced and enlarged, then placed back on the bridge for the purpose of encouraging tips, and helping any eyewitnesses recall if they saw such a figure on the bridge or the paths. The BG avatar not intended (by LE) to be used to specifically identify BG .... other than providing an idea of clothing for any eyewitnesses or to encourage tippers. It's also my understanding that testimony thus far suggests that the BG avatar individual was not close enough to have uttered the captured words "down the hill" on the timed tape (eta: see Lawyer Lee's recap of that video day in court). This had been my view since way back, since I'd previously read that the BG avatar was tiny on the video, and highly manipulated to enlarge it. And tiny = far away. (Apologies for the repetition to those who've read my opinion on this - on our Delphi thread here - in the past.)

In my view, BG is a figure in the background that Libby caught while videoing Abby at the far side of their bridge walk. And the value of the video is that time stamp, a timestamp the State argues is the beginning of the kidnapping/murder timeline they describe. Admittedly, it has been my position ever since the timeline (via PCA) arrived on the public docket, (and even before - as I watched Carter's pressers regarding the same) that BG was an entirely fungible avatar that could be 20 or 40 or 50 or 78 years old depending. In fact, throughout the 5 years of investigation, persons of interests were investigated - persons of all of those ages...

The testimony as to BG thus far does not surprise me. That none of the eyewitnesses were consistent with each other in terms of describing individuals they saw on the trails (or the road) during the State's timeline does not surprise me either. They all saw different men of different age, different height, different weight, different hair, different (or no) hats, different eyes ... which is to be expected on a nice day on the trail.

And, easily, 85% of the population of Delphi wear Carhartt jackets and jeans and caps.

As you have pointed out above, to successfully argue against the State's allegations, the Defense will want to bring doubt, bring conflicting facts, and show/illuminate flaws (if any) in the State's case.

For me (and, I'm NOT the jury), the eye witnesses confirmed there were sightings of a man here and there, walking the trails, the road, and the bridge during the State's timeline. And I have noted that none of these eye witnesses were asked to identify RA (sitting in front of them) as the man they saw, nor did they do so voluntarily. And they didn't say it was not RA sitting in front of them either. And I found this very curious. And I half expect the eyewitnesses to return for more testimony and be confronted with that question. We'll see. (Maybe we're done with eye witness testimony ?)

re: cellphones.
So far, we've heard testimony from State witnesses confirming that RA's phone did not ping in the area during the timeline (for BG and the murders) presented by the State. I tend to think that we will hear more about pings as the trial proceeds.

all JMHO
the group of girls who thought they saw BG walked the entire trail from at least the high bridge (time stamp photo 12:43p) to near the freedom bridge (time stamp photo 1:26p) and saw only one person. The man they saw after they took their picture at 1:26p.

So i don't think they "all saw different men" that group only saw one other person the whole time they were there. Whether that man was BG or another man or RA or RA is BG we don't know.
 
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