Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #207

[Deleted member 296739]

You should meet some of the functional alcoholics I know. Will be the first to climb a 10 foot fence and somehow not die.

All MOO

Agreed- moo

 

[justtrish]

It’s also odd to me that not a single person there that day described the man as being that short-that would stick out to me more than anything just as if I saw an unusually tall man

Explanations I've seen make a lot of sense to me..

1. the group of girls were just that girls who likely have never had to think about how tall someone is or guess at a height for a stranger they briefly passed by. Also since they found him creepy.. one said hi he didn't respond. He was walking head down bundled up too much for the weather.. I think it's just easy to not focus on height or to assume someone creepy is taller when trying to remember them. I think its the same for thinking he was in black.. One girl wasn't paying as much attention.. she said black coat.. The one that said hi I believe it was said blue. Imagine getting home and then finding out your friends sister was missing on a trail and you had to remember this person as best you could.

BB saw him from far away and he was UP on the bridge.. how would she know how tall he is really from far away and her being on the trail and him being up on the bridge.

SC who was driving by.. again how would she have any clue how to determine height from driving by him in the car if she didn't have a point of reference to compare too and again she was sitting in a car and moving toward him as he walked with his head down and hunched over.

 

[SluethinAway]

I agree and each time the D write a motion and after it gets released, the focus is on them and diverted away from the happenings in the courtroom. JMO

I like to refer to these as "Hail Mary" plays at the end when you know your clients goose is cooked!

 

[Yemelyan]

It's wasn't in the discovery that the killer was drinking. It definitely wasn't there had been SA. That's a lot of things that explain how a "normal guy" would commit such heinous acts, following a narrative that coincides with the evidence. It's all the personal details that sell it to me, so to speak.

All MOO

Agreed - and I also doubt the detail about seeing the van (edit: or man...) and abandoning the original plan would have been able to be derived from the discovery either.

 

[Vaderman]

If he is a regular drinker, I doubt six beers would cause him to stagger about.

But just enough to give him the liquid courage to start walking across a questionable bridge.

 

[Warwick7]

This is huge. I was sure he had been drinking that day, so hearing him say that in a confession makes it all the more believable.

This is much more specific than the ones we heard yesterday.

Just throwing in a little BAM! for @Warwick7

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BAM! is right @NoeticSoul !!
And noticed how it said he drank 3 beers, then after awhile drank the other 3, then left his parents went home and bundled up?
How much time did he spend at his parents? He must have been at his parents when he drank all six beers...

 

[WildHuncher]

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There’s presently ambiguity between whether a man or a van scared him. As more reports of her testimony come in, this should clear up.

 

[Salah11]

It makes sense he had been drinking when he committed the crimes.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

All one has to do is look at him to see his improvement since getting out of prison. I suspect the conditions are better. He can at least get together with his attys on a regular basis. I wonder what made Judge Gull suddenly decide to release him to a county jail.
MOO
Regardless, we aren't supposed to put pre-trial detainees in prison. I think the jurors will be shocked to see that we do.

On Thursday, Allen’s attorneys won one battle they’d been fighting – and losing – since shortly after Allen was arrested in November 2022, working to get him out of holding in Department of Corrections facilities and into a county jail closer to his family and his attorneys as they prep for the trial

Looks like having the defendant closer to his attorneys and family was a factor in the move. Not his living conditions.

I don't see RA looking so good right now. Prison, jail, both places equally take a prisoners freedom away. JMO.

‘Safekeeping’ order ends for Richard Allen. Pivotal pretrial testimony in play in Delphi murders

Sometimes chilling testimony Thursday gave differing views of the scene where Abby Williams and Libby German were killed in 2017

www.basedinlafayette.com

 

[MassGuy]

There’s presently ambiguity between whether a man or a van scared him. As more reports of her testimony come in, this should clear up.

My guess is a typo but I saw that too. Still haven’t seen an article from Wish or Fox 59 yet.

 

[oviedo]

Wait, did he mention the sticks in the confession?

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This tweet mentions tree branches another tweet mentioned sticks

 

[MiniMoo]

It’s not so much only things the killer would know, it’s the level of detail that makes it unique.

Visiting his parents, not wanting to eat lunch, buying 6 beers, etc.

A previous tweet from today said that he admitted to being an alcoholic since 2011. Six beers would be nothing to a guy like that, especially over the time period he drank them.

That would merely be enough to loosen him up, and allow him to take insane risks.

If someone was walking by him or even if he was sitting and others passed him by - wouldn't they smell the alcohol like a brewery?

The trail doesn't seem too wide, but I'm sure you'd get a whiff of that if within close proximity.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[vinayd]

No excuses for KA

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[shonyakay]

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"She said Allen said, “I didn’t do everything I said I did, but I killed Abby and Libby.” The doctor said the wife hung up on him."

Sus to me.

 

[tlcya]

This is huge. I was sure he had been drinking that day, so hearing him say that in a confession makes it all the more believable.

This is much more specific than the ones we heard yesterday.

Allen later said “I didn’t do everything I said I did, but I did kill Abby and Libby. I want the electric chair.”

Wala says at times he was coherent and showed no signs of psychosis.

Agreed.

 

[BUF]

The prosecution IS saving the best for last….wonder what else they have….

 

[SouthEnd]

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If he is the perp, the fact that he says out loud that he is afraid to die and wants to go to heaven, makes me want to cry in anger for Abby and Libby.

MOO

 

[ClearAhead]

A 6 pack sounds just the right amount to lose some inhibitions, but still be functioning.

I was just thinking. Considering RA’s prior high weight considering his short stature and a prior heart attack at an early age, he ought to be grateful to the state for his arrest and subsequent weight loss. Maybe it even saved his life! Aside from his staring habit, apparently he sits in the courtroom a picture of health (unlike the victims, Libby and Abby, images of their slashed necks no doubt still in the minds of the jury).

Anyway it’s a good thing he’s now healthy enough just in time to spend his remaining days in prison. JMO of course.

 

[mom2chloe]

If he is a regular drinker, I doubt six beers would cause him to stagger about.

Exactly. He said he only drank three beers then drank the other three after the murders. How does an alcoholic catch a buzz off only three beers unless MassGuy is correct that he had a flask on his person. It doesn’t make sense to me!

 

[tlcya]

Defense getting nervous.

MOO they should be. Today's revelations are quite damning IMO and the day has only just begun.