Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #207

[Tricia]

Hi Everyone
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Tricia

 

[flashy09]

Exactly. He said he only drank three beers then drank the other three after the murders. How does an alcoholic catch a buzz off only three beers unless MassGuy is correct that he had a flask on his person. It doesn’t make sense to me!

"Wala stated that Rick stated that he went to see his parents, then they were going to eat lunch and he wasn’t interested. He said he picked up a six pack of beer and drank three, the drank the other three later. Went home, bundled up, and went to bridge."

He drank 3 in one sitting and three in another, but all before going to the bridge.

 

[Trebor5591]

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Love & hate/resentment
He felt guilty, knew it was wrong to harbour negative hateful feelings towards his family, so he substituted 2 innocent victims….to ‘save his family’.

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All MOO

Quite a fanciful theory, IMO

 

[MassGuy]

Exactly. He said he only drank three beers then drank the other three after the murders. How does an alcoholic catch a buzz off only three beers unless MassGuy is correct that he had a flask on his person. It doesn’t make sense to me!

I was only half serious about the flask when I said that a few days ago. My point was that for him to have done this, he'd likely have alcohol in his system to lower his inhibitions. I didn't think he was hammered drunk, but just enough to get a buzz. The timeline seems to indicate he drank all 6 before the murders, just not at the exact same time.

 

[arielilane]

@KylaBRussell

#NEW: Richard Allen’s psychologist at Westville Correctional Facility admits she followed the case via podcasts and Facebook groups before and during his treatment. She said she contributed in chat rooms throughout.She also said she shared her thoughts with Allen during his treatment based on coverage she’d seen. She is no longer working directly for the Department of Corrections. “They had to do an investigation,” she said.

12:32 PM · Oct 30, 2024

 

[MassGuy]

@KylaBRussell

#NEW: Richard Allen’s psychologist at Westville Correctional Facility admits she followed the case via podcasts and Facebook groups before and during his treatment. She said she contributed in chat rooms throughout.She also said she shared her thoughts with Allen during his treatment based on coverage she’d seen. She is no longer working directly for the Department of Corrections. “They had to do an investigation,” she said.

12:32 PM · Oct 30, 2024

Very damaging.

 

[steeltowngirl]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851653323792777575

When did we learn that the girls' throats were slashed? I feel like it was recently with the ME's testimony?

"He then said he forced the girls down the hill, across the creek, slashed their throats, covered their bodies with tree branches and walked back to his car."

 

[Arkay]

I don’t drink and neither do most of the people I know, so I recognize that I’m not one to know how many drinks and what kind of alcohol would cause someone to feel unfettered in his or her actions.

I suspect it differs according to each individual, anyway.

Yet from what I glean here, it certainly seems that RA was just drunk enough to lower his inhibitions and yet still be capable of kidnap and murder.

What an atrocious balance.

I have, on the subway, encountered people who smell like alcohol, but that’s in an enclosed space and is fleeting.

Tragically I would presume that Abby and Libby were the only ones enduring the physical contact with him long enough to smell alcohol, and they can’t tell us.

However, Richard Allen can, and has now told us all.

JMO

 

[WildHuncher]

@KylaBRussell

#NEW: Richard Allen’s psychologist at Westville Correctional Facility admits she followed the case via podcasts and Facebook groups before and during his treatment. She said she contributed in chat rooms throughout.She also said she shared her thoughts with Allen during his treatment based on coverage she’d seen. She is no longer working directly for the Department of Corrections. “They had to do an investigation,” she said.

12:32 PM · Oct 30, 2024

The D will chew on that like a puppy with a rope toy. Shame, because he said what he did.

 

[BUF]

Another update…

'I killed Abby and Libby': Prison psychologist says Richard Allen confessed to Delphi murders

"I killed Abby and Libby," Allen reportedly said. "I will kill everyone. I will wipe out everybody," Dr. Monica Wala testified.

www.indystar.com

 

[Megnut]

It would make this even more compelling if he didn’t, obviously. I don’t think we know though.

Importantly, the branches were to cover them. Why he did it. No message, no runes, no staging. It's not just that there were branches (he could have read it in discovery but why.

He explained his actions. One tell of many.

JMO

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851661917695115590

'I just want to sign my confession' | Prison psychologist describes Richard Allen's alleged confessions | Day 11 of Delphi murders trial

Seven years after Libby German and Abby Williams were killed, the trial continues for the man accused of murdering them.

www.wthr.com

 

[Trebor5591]

I don't usually get emotional about trial watching and generally able to remain objective, but this trial has left me fairly horrified. Since when do we put people who are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a max security prison for 13 months? How often does that happen in our country? And that's only the beginning of issues so far that have left me astounded.

People are losing site of the fact that two innocent girls had their throats cut. As far as his treatment goes, it's actually pretty simple. "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime." You won't find me crying and wringing my hands for a murderer of two little girls. JMO

 

[NuttMegg]

Honest question...what was his solitary confinement" cell like?

I ask this because confessed baby murderer Chris Watts spent a few months in "solitary confinement" albeit in a jail. This was before he confessed to killing his kids, but after admitting that he shoved their dead bodies into crude oil tanks. And after admitting to killing his wife and fetus son.
LE is charged with keeping these accused murderers alive. I mention watts, because his solitary confinement meant simply that he had private accommodations, in the exact same type of cell that most others were forced to share. When he was moved to prison he got an additional 2 years in a private cell until they put another baby killer in with him.

So these terms don't mean a lot unless we know the set up. To this day watts apologists say it's unfair that he had to endure "solitary". A standard cell he didn't have to share.

Imo

 

[shonyakay]

When did we learn that the girls' throats were slashed? I feel like it was recently with the ME's testimony?

"He then said he forced the girls down the hill, across the creek, slashed their throats, covered their bodies with tree branches and walked back to his car."

We... yes. He... not so sure.

I am sure the State took into account what discovery RA possibly had access to and will relay this.

 

[arielilane]

PARTIAL DELPHI MURDERS MORNING JURY NOTES DAY 11:

Clinical psychologist at Westville Dr. Monica Wala took the stand. She talked about some of her interaction with suspect Richard Allen. She met him first in November 2022 when he arrived in prison.

On April 5, 2023, she talked about Allen being back on suicide watch. She testified he volunteered information about the case, saying he killed Abby and Libby.He said, “I committed the murders on my own, I made sure they were dead so they would not suffer.” He said his intentions were sexual in nature because he believed his victims were between the ages of 11-18. He said he’s been selfish all his life. He wanted to apologize and wanted to go back and change what happened.

He claimed he had a history of child molestation. He also said he had a history as an alcoholic. Alluded to having a sexual addiction. He said he had remorse.

On March 21, 2023 in his prison cell he committed to God and always had a Bible with him. He said he was glad he didn’t kill himself and that he was seeking forgiveness from his family. Doctor Wala said she recognized manipulative behavior. Spring of 2023 her diagnosis he was experiencing a brief psychotic disorder, she defined it as something that doesn’t last more than a month but found him to be in remission of May of 2023. Allen told Wala about what happened on February 13, 2017. He said he visited his mother in Mexico, IN He declined an invitation to go out with family for lunch, instead drank 3 beers, followed the girls to the bridge. He told her, “I messed with the gun, I guess that’s when the bullet fell out, that’s when I ordered the girls down the hill.” Allen told her he saw a man or heard a van (hard to make out what Wala said) and that’s what scared him to not rape them. He then said he forced the girls down the hill, across the creek, slashed their throats, covered their bodies with tree branches and walked back to his car.

Doctor Wala testified Allen seemed relieved to tell his story. If he died he wanted his wife to know he loved her, but he continued to have an organized recall of the crime narrative saying, “I just want to sign my confessions.”

Doctor Wala listened to a phone call between Allen and his wife Kathy. Allen told Kathy I am going to spend my life in prison, I may only get to see you once more. He says he expects to go to the electric chair. I love you. She said Allen said, “I didn’t do everything I said I did, but I killed Abby and Libby.” The doctor said the wife hung up on him.

Wala wrote in her August3, 2023 report Allen was afraid of dying and said " I want to go to Heaven."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851656125462040759

 

[photographer4]

I disagree, height 5' 4" super small shoe size like a 4 ..he is exactly the size LE said he was after they analyzed the footage. his size and shoe size are way below average for a male adult. note he tried to change his height on his id after the murders. SO someother super small guy with bizarrely small feet, wearing the same outfit ...was out on the bridge that day? mOO

Are men's sizes different to ladies? I'm 5'4. I'm not a size four shoe, not even in kid sizes. Ty in advance. Not moo as this is a question.

 

[steeltowngirl]

The mental image is sinking in for me.

He guzzled 3 beers, senselessly slaughtered two budding young women, then guzzled 3 more beers.

Cold.
Callous.
Sickening.

 

[gremlin444]

Just from this assortment, it reads like a reel from central casting from an actor throwing everything out there to see what sticks.

I take it back what I said earlier, RA and his defense team are perfectly suited.

MOO

Jinx!

Last night in a discussion I said that reading through all the confessions, it felt like someone auditioning for the role of "mental health patient" by flipping through the DSM V and picking one thing from every page.

Too random.

And yes, with a son who spent spent 5 weeks this summer in inpatient mental health care (and many years of in and out with mental health establishments before this) with psychosis I have some pretty direct and current experience with psychosis, mental health profiles, Haldol and a whole host of psych meds. And visiting 4 times a week and seeing the other patients in his severe cases unit gave me some broader perspective than just him.

IMHO, RA definitely had periods of psychosis in prison. Psychosis can be temporary and pop up repeatedly. But IMHO, IME, the huge variety of his actions/words is too random. Very rarely is someone a feces eater & smearer, head banger, false confessor, singing "Mama Don't Let Your Babies Grow up to Be Cowboys at 3 am while self pleasuring (TMS around min 1hr 30?), drinking hot sauce, paper eater, and five other things highly varied things all over the course of a few days.

 

[Salah11]

It sounds like he was a ticking time bomb. He had weird fantasies and something tipped him over the edge.

Moo