Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #207

[susane7]

Richard Allen gave information only the killer would know: he covered the victims with branches. Not sticks or twigs but branches. He stated he had a gun! He displayed zero signs of psychosis.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851675804024889702

It is interesting if he said branches because Lauren from Hidden True Crime <modsnip> said that when she saw the crime scene pics. She said they were not sticks and twigs, they were bigger, they were tree branches.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

He can steal them though. moo

Maybe your pharmacies are really different than mine / moo

 

[Ursamajr]

Some random thoughts.

He says he lost the bullet when he says down the hill but that isn't possible

(snipped by me)

Is there a possibility the bullet fell into his or one of the girls clothes, pocket/shoe/elsewhere, and then fallen out onto the ground on the other side of the creek?

 

[Jade]

are you saying you believe these thoughts to be sincere? I don't think someone sociopathic enough to commit this crime would have the capacity to experience appropriate remorse without extreme rehabilitation

otherwise, I would think someone so sociopathic would be as self-serving as possible if/when feigning remorse -- and whatever avenue that person perceives as most self-serving would very likely strike the average reasonable person as inappropriate (doing a big TV interview to feign regret [and get maximum attention!!] is an example that comes to mind)

Yes, because remember the regret is for himself as he thinks he will go to Hell. He seems to believe he won’t get in Heaven with unrepentant sin, with no remorse over his sin. To go to Heaven he feels he has to repent, receive the Lord as Savior and turn away from sin.

Sociopathy is a chronic condition associated with erratic and impulsive behavior. If he is I believe we would have heard more of his ongoing bad behavior instead of just the sporadic outbursts.

There does seem to be an element of grandiosity. I bet he wants to take the stand the way he is shaking his head no and staring folks down.

Sociopath is what we can see of the behavior; psychopathy is based more on what they are thinking.

Anyway I think RA is a common pervert who did what he wanted to do because he thought he could get away with it.

RA explained it himself: He has been a selfish coward all his life.


'I just want to sign my confession' | Prison psychologist describes Richard Allen's alleged confessions | Day 11 of Delphi murders trial

All imo

 

[katydid23]

It isn't really what only the killer would know though and there is no mention of how the girls were unalived nor in-depth details.

And...if he was drinking and crossing a treacherous bridge like that under the influence how possible really would it be to keep one's balance and not stagger or fall through any of those gaps let alone control just one person.

JMO MOO JMT

What was his purpose for giving this detailed confession to his therapist then? If he is innocent and wants out of prison, why was he confessing to her in such a believable way?

 

[MiniMoo]

If it's proven RA didn't have access to the information he confessed to, everyone should come to the realization that he is guilty.
Unfortunately even then, some wouldn't.

Whoever did it, would know certain details no one else would know except maybe the families or the girl's friends, like: birth marks, moles, scars or even stretch marks.

Also, in-depth details not a generic walk through.

I'm still waiting for that groundbreaking confession I'm afraid.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[MiniMoo]

What was his purpose for giving this detailed confession to his therapist then? If he is innocent and wants out of prison, why was he confessing to her in such a believable way?

It isn't really detailed and was this before or after the Discovery? I think after.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[Arkay]

Whoever did it, would know certain details no one else would know except maybe the families or the girl's friends, like: birth marks, moles, scars or even stretch marks

Certainly just my opinion, as I have never murdered anyone, but my presumption is that, unlike family who would have a lifelong familiarity with birthmarks, moles etc., a murderer would not be scanning his victims for these types of details.

He’s in a public place in the daytime. I’m assuming his time was spent forcing the girls down the hill, attempting to sexually assault them, leading them across the creek and then vindictively murdering them. Then escaping before he was caught in the act.

In my opinion the details known only to the murderer would focus more on elements of the crime scene, the weapon, how he proceeded, how they died and how he exited the scene.

JMO

 

[Yemelyan]

Info about the new defense filing:

In the court filing, Allen’s defense team claims testimony by prosecution witnesses in the first 10 days of the trial have “opened the door to admission of Odinism/Norse Paganism/Ritualistic Killing.”

The filing cites testimony from Lt. Jerry Holeman from the Indiana State Police.

Lt. Holeman testified that sticks placed on the girls were intended to conceal the bodies. Under questioning from the prosecutor, Lt. Holeman testified the sticks may have been placed as a part of “undoing”, a crime scene behavior considered an attempt to symbolically reverse a homicide or restore honor to the victims.

Allen’s defense team claimed in the court filing that Lt. Holeman’s testimony means the defense should now be allowed to submit its theory to jurors: that the sticks were placed as part a ritual related to Odinism/Norse Paganism.

Judge Gull has previously rejected defense requests to present the ritualistic sacrifice theory to the jury.

In the same filing, Allen’s attorneys ask to be allowed to present evidence of 3rd party suspects.

The defense filing cites testimony from a forensic pathologist who told jurors that as many as four knives may have been used in the killings.

Source: Delphi Murders trial: Day 11 live blog

 

[katydid23]

If someone was walking by him or even if he was sitting and others passed him by - wouldn't they smell the alcohol like a brewery?

The trail doesn't seem too wide, but I'm sure you'd get a whiff of that if within close proximity.

JMO MOO JMT

No way. Driving past someone does not mean you could smell beers he drank hours earlier. Who thinks her windows were even down anyway?

Teen girls walking past him aren't going to smell beer on him, IMO. A lot of time had passed since his last beer.

 

[tlcya]

Some random thoughts.

He says he lost the bullet when he says down the hill but that isn't possible

He says used off trail to stay hidden after committing the murder so who did SC see that was muddy and bloody

Jury will have to weigh a confession against when he obtained discovery

I don't believe he knew he had even lost a bullet until 2022 when LE claimed the cartridge found was a match to his weapon. He told LE something along the lines of It is not possible that a bullet from my gun was found at the crime scene OR near the bridge. JMO

 

[susane7]

Info about the new defense filing:

In the court filing, Allen’s defense team claims testimony by prosecution witnesses in the first 10 days of the trial have “opened the door to admission of Odinism/Norse Paganism/Ritualistic Killing.”

The filing cites testimony from Lt. Jerry Holeman from the Indiana State Police.

Lt. Holeman testified that sticks placed on the girls were intended to conceal the bodies. Under questioning from the prosecutor, Lt. Holeman testified the sticks may have been placed as a part of “undoing”, a crime scene behavior considered an attempt to symbolically reverse a homicide or restore honor to the victims.

Allen’s defense team claimed in the court filing that Lt. Holeman’s testimony means the defense should now be allowed to submit its theory to jurors: that the sticks were placed as part a ritual related to Odinism/Norse Paganism.

Judge Gull has previously rejected defense requests to present the ritualistic sacrifice theory to the jury.

In the same filing, Allen’s attorneys ask to be allowed to present evidence of 3rd party suspects.

The defense filing cites testimony from a forensic pathologist who told jurors that as many as four knives may have been used in the killings.

Source: Delphi Murders trial: Day 11 live blog

IMO From the questions, the jury seems logical. I almost want the odinism to be admitted because I think this jury would have difficult to contain the laughter. On another hand, it is possible that there is 1 or 2 jurors into conspiracies theories, so..

I don't understand his defense. In my opinion, seems the best defense here is to attack the errors in the investigation...

 

[MiniMoo]

Certainly just my opinion, as I have never murdered anyone, but my presumption is that, unlike family who would have a lifelong familiarity with birthmarks, moles etc., a murderer would not be scanning his victims for these types of details.

He’s in a public place in the daytime. I’m assuming his time was spent forcing the girls down the hill, attempting to sexually assault them, leading them across the creek and then vindictively murdering them. Then escaping before he was caught in the act.

In my opinion the details known only to the murderer would focus more on elements of the crime scene, the weapon, how he proceeded, how they died and how he exited the scene.

JMO

Samuel Little remembered a number of his victims quite well and drew images of them including things like earrings, skin tone and hair styles.

It seems some do remember certain things and for different reasons.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[katydid23]

Question :
After the Discovery or before it?

I don't think it really matters. IMO

 

[MiniMoo]

I don't think it really matters. IMO

It could if he is going off of the Discovery rather than his own memory.

We will find out soon enough I'm sure.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[shonyakay]

And?
I am not following you and what this means to you.
No amount of discovery is going to put these words in his mouth.
Do you think it is logical that the discovery shows that he was interrupted by BW, so he continued by moving the girls across the creek?
While it puts things in the order that LE believes, only Richard Allen would be able to tell us what happened.
And he has.
JMO

You're so right. For years LE and us discussed details of this crime adnausem and none of us could make sense of the crime scene.

Only one man has given a plausible story that fits the timeline and all of the evidence. It just so happens to be the same man who placed himself at the crime scene before, during, and after the crime, and who was wearing similar clothing to the perp.
Not to mention, an unspent bullet that is believed to have been cycled through his gun was found in between the 2 victim's bodies.

Richard Allen is Guilty.

# Justice for Abigail and Liberty, you girls' are not forgotten.

 

[acutename]

Whoever did it, would know certain details no one else would know except maybe the families or the girl's friends, like: birth marks, moles, scars or even stretch marks.

Also, in-depth details not a generic walk through.

I'm still waiting for that groundbreaking confession I'm afraid.

JMO MOO JMT

maybe they would- this was a quick murder by a disturbed person not a person who was necessarily paying a lot of attention to his victims

 

[joe jones]

We finally get to one specific confession, I am less shocked at that than the conditions he was kept in, irrespective whether he was convicted or not, nobody should be kept in those conditions,

 

[arielilane]

I want to know where Sheryl got this depiction she is using. none of the ones described as being shown to the jury in court illustrate twigs and branches resembling a set of horns above Abby's head. The only depictions that have done that are ones created by the DT and bandied about in reddit chat.

MOO IMO

Ive seen the disturbing pic posted @ X on more than one occasion; however, they weren't approved sources.
There's been no named credit source.

 

[tlcya]

Ive seen the disturbing pic posted @ X on more than one occasion; however, they weren't approved sources.
There's been no named credit source.

thank you, I figured as much. I appreciate your bringing us updates on the trial friend.