Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #211

[FrostedGlass]

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Russ McQuaid

Updated: NOV 4, 2024 / 12:41 PM CST

Even they noticed it:

The court has overruled defense objections and denied motions at a significantly higher rate than those of the prosecutor throughout the trial and over two years of trial prep.

 

[Cyber sleuth]

Financial stability? Was he the major source of income for the family? Without his income, did she have to sell the house (2023)?

Bingo and may explain his focus on money and income. May have been the only positive contribution he had to the partnership- being a provider. JMO

 

[tlcya]

anxiously awaiting the next court break for updates

 

[girlhasnoname]

Fingers crossed that it’s a quick guilty. It’s taken way to long to reach this stage.

It's a good sign that they've been able to ask question all along so they will have a good grasp already before deliberations begin IMO.

 

[mrjitty]

RSBM

There's a big difference between a confession such as (wtte)

"I did it" "I killed Abby and Libby."

and

"I saw their ages (no doubt IMO when they were unclothed), I planned to assault them but I saw a van and I got scared, and so I made them cross the creek."

The second variety of confession taps into personal memories, changed plans, feelings, and rationale for behavior, which altogether (IMO) would be very unlikely and hard to do if one was not referencing actual experience. After that - I'd consider that the narrative makes chronological sense and there are facts which back it up (a van did appear in that time-frame, the driveway on which the van appeared was visible from the crime scene, the dropped clothing/shoe was in the creek, the phone data). That's how I would differentiate.

Exactly T!

The van is a major problem and pretending Wala implanted the idea yet another conspiracy along with the rest

 

[Deleted member 229974]

If they go too hard, they're going to look like real jerks to the Jury imo....

Well, they’re pretty desperate at this point, so be prepared for anything.
Come to think about it, I thought a spouse couldn’t be compelled to testify against a spouse. IMO

 

[BUF]

It's a good sign that they've been able to ask question all along so they will have a good grasp already before deliberations begin IMO.

And they have been allowed to talk about the trial between them already

 

[ClearAhead]

I wonder how many of those passive and afraid of others fellas would call the LEO interrogating him and A-hole, and say things like "You want to f--- with me, f--- with me, but leave my wife out of this," Allen said. F---. Leave me out of this." to those LEOs.
Jurors hear about Richard Allen's prison confessions in Delphi trial

And later, but most recently, threatening to kill Cass County Jail Guards?

Seems pretty aggressive with zero passive attached to it to me

Good point, you got me thinking. I wonder too, the sort who curls up into a little ball to avoid aggression.

JMO

 

[taylorss]

Agree the Google searches were not one of the prosecution's shining moments.

I don't even get why they introduced them... the case is rock solid anyway & the searches dont seem to say anything at all
Moo

 

[girlhasnoname]

Oh this guy knew what he was doing and knew what he was doing was wrong; definitely not insane.

As far as murder goes, I am convinced this was his first time though.

Murder I agree, But some forms of sex related peeping, molesting, CSAM are a definite in his wheelhouse. IMO

 

[acehard]

I don't even get why they introduced them... the case is rock solid anyway & the searches dont seem to say anything at all
Moo

Exactly. It was a waste of time IMO

 

[minor4th]

agree, believing every word of RAs in his confessions is not reasonable. But not believing a single word of them is also IMO not reasonable. Each should be and will be given the weight the jury deems appropriate. As some of us in the public are doing as well.

It is equally ridiculous to completely disregard every word of his confessions and yet feel every utterance of a denial should be given more weight than those confessions. MOO

As I’ve said before - it’s no so much a question of whether they’re true or false, but are they reliable? Because he was in a state of psychosis for that time period and made other statements that are clearly false (e.g. I started WW2, I killed my whole family, etc.) I believe the confessions are unreliable

 

[MassGuy]

Are there still magazines like you buy at the newsstand available in Adult Bookstores? I'm not speaking of things like Playboy, I'm thinking more specialized fare.

That stuff is all available online.

 

[taylorss]

I don’t think you have either

I used that term. Whoever is interested can rest assured I know what it means lol

 

[mrjitty]

Prosecutors Legal Briefs had another excellent summary of the 3rd week

With so much D centric and frankly conspiratorial content around, it's nice to have some people who focus on procedure and trial tactics - mostly from a prosecutorial perspective, but they are also good at explaining what the defence are doing.

tldr;

In their opinion the confessions are brutal, and explain much of the defence strategy. The van is potentially a disaster and they don't find it credible that Wala somehow planted the idea. Brett actually jokes that if the prosecution really want to frame someone, please just do it with DNA and not with switched bullets etc. His point is, this increasingly vast conspiracy to set up innocent Rick doesn't make any sense if you think about it for 2 minutes.

Alice also notes a potential extra slip in RA's confessions - that he refers to branches, which is also what is in the evidence, whereas the defence has promoted 'sticks' - i can't recall if that was covered here.

They spend some time speculating that this might just be a very mundane case that has been seen many times before. A troubled man with a history of abuse in his own life, escalated to rape, and escalated to murder. The murders may not have been planned at all. Things got out of hand. According to them, this is an unfortunately common pathway, and much more likely that a satanic panic.

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[justtrish]

News 8’s Kyla Russell said Kathy Allen has not been in the courtroom all morning, but Allen’s daughter was seated outside the courtroom. His daughter has not been present throughout the trial.

So maybe her daughter is there to support her since she might be taking the stand. IMO

 

[Deleted member 229974]

BG walked with a noticable limp, by all accounts. Has it ever been established that RA walked with the same limp? Even if the BG/RA's limp was temporary, caused by a fall, bad shoes, whatever-- I would think that others such as his wife or co-workers would have noticed and made a connection.

Was RA’s employer called to testify?

 

[MrsWatson]

That stuff is all available online.

I'm thinking that if you don't want your possibly religious wife to see you have a disturbing hobby, you might prefer a print edition that you could hide, rather than an electronic device that might leave a sign of being signed onto the wi-fi, logged in somewhere, etc. Just a thought I had.

 

[justtrish]

Prosecutors Legal Brief's had another excellent summary of the week

With so much D centric and frankly conspiratorial content around, it's nice to have some people who focus mostly on procedure and trial tactics - mostly from a prosecutorial perspective, but they are also good at explaining what the defence are doing.

tldr;

In their opinion the confessions are brutal, and explain much of the defence strategy. The van is potentially a disaster and they don't find it credible that Wala somehow planted the idea. Brett actually jokes that if the prosecution really want to frame someone, please just do it with DNA and not with switched bullets etc. His point is, this increasingly vast conspiracy to set up innocent Rick doesn't make any sense if you think about it for 2 minutes.

Alice also notes an potential extra slip in RA's confessions - that he refers to branches, which is also what is in the evidence, whereas the defence has promoted 'sticks' - i can't recall if that was covered here.

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This was a great episode.

 

[tlcya]

As I’ve said before - it’s no so much a question of whether they’re true or false, but are they reliable? Because he was in a state of psychosis for that time period and made other statements that are clearly false (e.g. I started WW2, I killed my whole family, etc.) I believe the confessions are unreliable

I follow your thinking, but disagree. I personally believe the meat and potatoes of the confessions are reliable (I took the girls at gunpoint down the hill, planning to SA them got scared when I saw a white van, killed them, threw some branches on them and made haste to get out of there then lived my life).

His confession to starting world war III, and his confessions of molesting people in the past, I believe are not reliable.

And his confession of killing his family and friends was not IMO a confession at all but a sincere expression of remorse for what his friends and family would now suffer because of him.

That is just my own opinion.