GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #215

[shonyakay]

Then why did Cicero start counting steps from 1:30? Actually asking.

Because that is when they were getting ready to leave and walking to the car to get in Kelsi's car to go to the trails.

Libby unplugged her phone from Kelsi's car at 1:48 p.m. and Kelsi drove past Hoosier Harvest store at 1:49 p.m.

 

[photographer4]

Because that is when they were getting ready to leave and walking to the car to get in Kelsi's car to go to the trails.

It’s weird to me they would include that. Why didn’t they start once the kids were at the trails??? Moo

 

[Poedelini]

Horrible. Stunning to think what both girls went through. Such anger and rage, especially towards Libby. And when I think about the scenario, the time it took, it only confirms my belief that more than one person was involved in this crime, and it was personal. IMO, it appears they killed Abby first, just to get her out of the way, so that they could violently torture and rage against Libby. Why, why, why? IMO

Playing devils advocate here but why kill abby to get her out of the way so the focus is on Libby, when there are (in your theory) multiple people to restrain both girls?
He had plenty of time to do it by himself. What sexual perp wants to share anyway.

Jmo

 

[shonyakay]

It’s weird to me they would include that. Why didn’t they start once the kids were at the trails??? Moo

Maybe because of the other evidence they had from the phone during the same time period like the selfie taken in the car.

 

[justtrish]

Horrible. Stunning to think what both girls went through. Such anger and rage, especially towards Libby. And when I think about the scenario, the time it took, it only confirms my belief that more than one person was involved in this crime, and it was personal. IMO, it appears they killed Abby first, just to get her out of the way, so that they could violently torture and rage against Libby. Why, why, why? IMO

About how long do you think it would take to do what was done?

The phone quit moving at 2:32pm. I believe the girls were in that general area then at that time.

SC saw a man on the road at 3:57 (might be 3:58)

So let's just go with the idea that BG is the guy that abducted the girls and then was seen walking on the road later. Once he had them at the CS at 2:32 that gives him nearly 1 hour and 30 minutes. Even if we give him 20-30 minutes to walk from the CS to the road (I believe it woudn't even take that long, but being overly conservative on time here).. that leaves an hour... a lot can happen in 1 hour.

IMO he could have done what was done alone in less than half the time he actually had.

 

[sunshineray]

RSBM

The autopsies detailed Livor Mortis. Unless one doesn't trust the forensic pathologist.

Oh dear, does the pathologist have a horse in this race too!?

 

[steeltowngirl]

Same in Robert Telles trial and the Ashley Benefield trial, several weeks ago. Both came back guilty after being sent back to carry on with their deliberations.

Also, the Melody Farris trial last week. The jury deliberated for four days. At one point, the jury told the judge they were deadlocked. They ultimately returned a verdict of guilty.

ooops, I now see that @fred&edna already posted this info earlier

Jury finds Cherokee County woman guilty of killing her husband, setting his body on fire

A jury found a woman guilty of killing her husband in Cherokee County.

www.yahoo.com

 

[WildHuncher]

This video is painful.

A lot of information from the ME that I had not heard before.

Abby had dirt and debris on her back, under her clothes. I don't like my conclusion.

More information from the ME about the marks on her chin, possible restraint.

Libby had superficial wounds on her neck. (Threats maybe?) Each cut (gaping wound) had multiple passes. He describes the wounds like perhaps a blade handle going in too far. She was covered in blood, her hands covered in blood. 5 to 10 minutes for each to die.

Absolute mad man.

JMO

Can’t help but think the SA continued for some of that unaccounted time north of the creek. He wasn’t panicked anymore. There was more going on than two quick killings and some stick moving.

MOO totally

 

[noface]

the most interesting thing about this case to me is that abby did not move at all after being stabbed but libby moved a lot.

and abby was also naked on the ground at some point. she was allegedly wearing libbys jeans and they were undone. makes me think the girls were instructed to quickly dress and they grabbed whatever they could

 

[arielilane]

10:47 A.M.: DELIBERATIONS CONTINUE​

News 8’s Kyla Russell reports it is nearly hour 16 in deliberations for the Delphi Murders jury.

Live blog: Richard Allen found guilty on all charges

Delphi Murders trial continues with Day 21, as jury deliberates on Richard Allen's guilt in the murders of Abby and Libby. Trial updates and details.

www.wishtv.com

 

[Davemac1]

It is the most critical part in the jigsaw for me.
Something about the Dulin involvement really baffles me.
So he interviews a guy who, if your assumption is correct has just given a statement describing the near identical set of clothes he was wearing to that of a person of interest LE had released days before?
Were alarm bells not ringing in Dulins head?
Days later the person in the photo was described not only as a person police wanted to speak to but the number one suspect in murdering the girls!
Again. Did Dulin not wonder what happened to the guy he interviewed and chase it up again?

Did Dulin write or advise on writing 'cleared' on the sheet?
Did he know Allen prior to meeting him in that car park? Were they friendly with one another?

So I've searched through all the recorded transcripts and reports of the trial and there is no recorded entry for Richard Allen describing what he was wearing in his initial tip sheet and subsequent interview with Dan Dulin.
Dulin didn't ask him!

Clothing was only started to get mentioned in his 2022 interviews prior to charge.

 

[minor4th]

Does anyone know how frequently jurors have access to courtroom transcripts? Is it simply based on turn-around time? Or something more? I know the trials where I served we were never permitted trial transcripts but that has been a few years ago.

The judge said they will not have any testimony read back to them.

 

[sunshineray]

Please link msm to your statement that witnesses place RA on the bridge.

The witness said they saw the BG from the image captured by LG not RA from what I read.

Richard Allen places himself on the bridge.


All imo

And witnesses confirmed the timeline he gave for when and where he was on the bridge, as Abby and Libby were approaching, minutes away.

 

[girlhasnoname]

The more time that passes the more I’m thinking a hung jury. There is no way it will be Not guilty as its quite clearly him so there is only two options.

imo

Come on @Salah11 hang in there, the State has got this. The jury is doing their due diligence, but I still firmly believe it will be a Guilty verdict.

#Justice4Abby&Libby

MOO

 

[sunshineray]

My issue with whether or not RA looks like BG is that if you do a simple search online , some of the other names commonly thrown around as suspects in this case also have identical body types to BG. Look no further than BH.

It annoys me that the police didn’t do the height analysis of BG based on the images from Libbys phone, as that could well have narrowed the field one way or another given that RA is pretty short for a man .

They didn't do height analysis because the experts told them the margin for error was too great so therefore not accurate. That film was analyzed by FBI techs and NASA, trying to glean anything reliable that they could. MO

 

[Arkay]

And witnesses confirmed the timeline he gave for when and where he was on the bridge, as Abby and Libby were approaching, minutes away.

To me, this case hinges on the fact that Abby and Libby could not have been killed by someone who wasn’t there.

No other man was established as being on the MHB at the time. Of course we all know RA himself declared that he was present on that day.

I know and have said before that it’s weird his DNA was not found at the crime scene, yet NO ONE’s DNA was found.

Does that mean no one killed the girls??????

Obviously that’s not true. So we go with the evidence we have. Which IMO points to Richard Allen.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Playing devils advocate here but why kill abby to get her out of the way so the focus is on Libby, when there are (in your theory) multiple people to restrain both girls?
He had plenty of time to do it by himself. What sexual perp wants to share anyway.

Jmo

Well, I wouldn’t say “multiple” people, but at least two and they had to kill Abby because they weren’t going to leave a witness. I’m only saying that although the injury to her neck was a violent and deadly act, Libby’s was over kill, IMO. Her multiple stab wounds were deep and repetitive and there was uncontrollable rage behind that weapon to leave those brutal wounds compared to Abby’s. I do suspect both were SA in some way. <modsnip: no source link> IMO

 

[sunshineray]

So I've searched through all the recorded transcripts and reports of the trial and there is no recorded entry for Richard Allen describing what he was wearing in his initial tip sheet and subsequent interview with Dan Dulin.
Dulin didn't ask him!

Clothing was only started to get mentioned in his 2022 interviews prior to charge.

The point is he did described what he was wearing that day.

 

[lonetraveler]

While Abby and Libby were eating pancakes, RA was throwing back beers.

While they grabbed sweatshirts, he grabbed his jacket. And weapons.

Between 1:30 and 1:49, Abby and Libby were smiling for a selfie.

Between 1:30 and 1:49, RA was scowling at juveniles.

At 2:06, Abby and Libby thought they had a long future ahead of them.

At 2:06, RA already knew they didn't.

At 2:13, Libby was aware that danger was in front of her, Abby knew danger was behind her, and RA knew they had every reason to be afraid.

Two little girls.

Twenty minutes of unthinkable violence.

All so unfair.

JMO

Very well stated.

 

[Boxer]

About how long do you think it would take to do what was done?

The phone quit moving at 2:32pm. I believe the girls were in that general area then at that time.

SC saw a man on the road at 3:57 (might be 3:58)

So let's just go with the idea that BG is the guy that abducted the girls and then was seen walking on the road later. Once he had them at the CS at 2:32 that gives him nearly 1 hour and 30 minutes. Even if we give him 20-30 minutes to walk from the CS to the road (I believe it woudn't even take that long, but being overly conservative on time here).. that leaves an hour... a lot can happen in 1 hour.

IMO he could have done what was done alone in less than half the time he actually had.

Agree. Sad Horrible. Redressing in wet clothes when terrified obviously takes a lot of time.
Is it possible that Indiana cannot investigate, prosecute nor try facts competently?