GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #216

[joe jones]

GUILTY Post in thread 'Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #215'

Nov 11, 2024

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So to me that reads like the court reporter doesn't even start creating a transcript until after the defense team files their appeal--which they have up until 30 days after Dec 20? And I would imagine that it takes quite a while to finalize the transcript.

I wonder if they are at least allowed to start working on their transcript files in the meantime, knowing that it's pretty much guaranteed they will file an appeal.

They have to make a transcript either way, it is a public document and the public are allowed to get a copy once it's prepared, I imagine this one will be exhorbitant to purchase as it was a relatively long trial, so it may take some time to produce,
I don't understand why they don't just release the audio, to anybody that requests a copy, charge them a fee and send it digitally, everything that is on the record will be on that, making a typed physical copy must be so much work

 

[justtrish]

TBH, there are always individuals who simply enjoy being contrarians and use high profile cases like this in order to argue incessantly against popular opinion, regardless of what it is. Social media has definitely encouraged people like that because it gives them a forum to play devil’s advocate and an audience. Like you said, worst part of all of that— from strangers on YouTube who think their opinions are truths that need constant airing to retired professionals from the justice system who feel compelled by attention whether it’s good or bad— is that potential jurors and the public at large can develop a warped view of what “reasonable doubt” is and become incredibly cynical about evidence, especially when it’s circumstantial. It’s akin to the CSI effect where laypeople expect a wealth of physical evidence, mostly DNA, and refuse to convict without it, regardless of the rest of the case.

I think a healthy majority of people who serve as jurors are intelligent enough to recognize hucksters like that when they see them, and are able to fairly judge a case based on its merits, but all it takes is one stubborn person to derail the outcome of a trial.

I can appreciate someone playing devil's advocate in order to discuss things from different perspectives or to think of all possibilities. I can not understand doing this to the point that it defies logic. Scenarios need to make sense and be rooted in reality.

 

[statt#1]

My opinion...I can't blame the defense for an epic failure, as they really had no defense. This is why they came up with everything else they came up with, franks, odinism, soddi's, leaks, youtube, podcasts, twitter, fb, allegations of mistreatment in prison, suspicions of false confessions based on psychiatric issues, ad nauseum. They couldn't get Richard Allen off that bridge.... and they couldn't place anyone else on it.

Richard Allen = Bridge Guy = Murderer

For me, it's as simple as that.

 

[tlcya]

hmmm, what was unfair in this case? Let me count the ways:

1) Two young girls were heinously murdered by Richard Allen on a warm late winter's day, never to grown up, attend prom, or college or 1000 other major life events for a young girl.
2) Two families were robbed of their shining lights, never to see them marry, have children, achieve their dreams, etc.
3) Facebook detectives and those with personal grudges began to immediately tip in innocent individuals as the killer, individuals who to this day are still accused by internet trolls of having committed the murders.
4) similarly, trolls and wannabes proceeded to trash the family members of the victims and continue to do so to this day, some 7.5 years later.
5) Richard Allen's defense team whether purposefully (my own belief) or accidently leaked sensitive crime scene photos to the world wide web to someone outside of their team (allegedly)
6) Richard Allen's defense team spent the next year trying their case in in the court of public opinion via their motions knowing full well those motions would insidiously and inevitably permeate the public perception of this case, the evidence and their client for well over a year while the State attempted to answer those motions while simultaneously faithfully attempting to observe the gag order the Honorable Judge Gull had entered early on after the convicted man's arrest.

I could continue but I imagine you all get the gist.

 

[Salah11]

I believe Judge Gull was wonderful and ran a very tight ship because if she hadn’t, it would have turned into a circus. She has my utmost respect and I hope the negative voices don't overshadow the good she has done in this case. She has behaved impeccably, unlike a lot of the defence and their hangers-on.

If she ever comes to London she is more than welcome around mine for afternoon tea

Just my two pennies worth on Judge Gull.

 

[INfisherman]

I believe Judge Gull was wonderful and ran a very tight ship because if she hadn’t, it would have turned into a circus. She has my utmost respect and I hope the negative voices don't overshadow the good she has done in this case. She has behaved impeccably, unlike a lot of the defence and their hangers-on.

If she ever comes to London she is more than welcome around mine for afternoon tea

Just my two pennies worth on Judge Gull.

She had to - all the questionable tactics obviously being used to influence opinion outside of the court. She couldn’t risk a potential scenario where Delphi turns into an uncontrollable demonstration or worse. The MSM attention was enough alone, as evidenced by the signs shown hanging in local businesses. Folks that live in those small communities tend to prefer their privacy & don’t appreciate the unnecessary attention or fanatical behavior. The community had been through enough already & part of her efforts were to protect them.

MOO

 

[arielilane]

13 Things To Know From The #Delphi Murders Trial Today - Verdict Day - Nov 11


1. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.Jurors convicted Richard Allen on all 4 murder charges, finding he killed Abby Williams & Libby German. I sat 15 ft behind Allen as the verdict was read.


2. We started to realize a verdict was taking place today when Abby & Libby’s families walked into the courthouse at 1:12pm. The jury had spent approx 19 hours deliberating over 4 days when everyone started heading inside the building.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1856179355929423935

3. Outside the courthouse, a large crowd gathered to await the verdict. All major national news networks were present, as well as folks across Indiana, the nation & even some international visitors to hear what the jury had decided.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1856180598362014139

4. Judge Gull entered the courtroom at 2:11, saying that outbursts would not be tolerated when the verdict was read. “Regardless of what the verdict is, [some] people aren’t going to be happy,” she said, inviting those present to “take your unhappiness outside” or risk expulsion.




5. Jurors entered at 2:19, gave Gull their verdict form, and were each polled about their decision. Then they were dismissed and left the courtroom at 2:22. Verdict was fast! Sitting in the front row, I had a pretty good vantage point to see reactions throughout the courtroom.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1856185141640528070

6. When the first GUILTY was announced, one of the victims’ family members said “Yes!” I could not tell who said it. Libby’s grandma, Becky, clutched her husband’s arm, smiled and hugged him. Libby’s mom cried. Abby’s family was seated further away but I saw smiles and hugs.




7. Richard Allen showed no emotion whatsoever as the verdict was read. He later looked back at his wife & mother and said “Are you ok?” His family members cried, and his wife, Kathy, looked angry. After the verdict, Allen was led away in handcuffs with his hands behind his back.


8. The judge set a sentencing date for Dec 20. The hearing will take several hours (or all day) as the State & Defense argue for a longer/lighter sentence & the judge hears victim impact statements from families. Each charge brings a maximum penalty of 45-65 years in prison.


9. After the judge left the courtroom, that’s when the real emotion came out. Abby & Libby’s families got up and hugged each other and thanked and hugged the prosecutors. Prosecutor Nick McLeland hugged his dpty prosecutors and investigators. They all had a look of pure relief.




10. The strongest emotion came from Indiana State Police, who’ve been working the case for 7-1/2 years. ISP superintendent Doug Carter rested his face in his hands and cried. ISP investigator Jerry Holeman (pictured) gave Nick McLeland a bear hug and a kiss on the cheek.




11. Richard Allen’s family was comforted by defense attorney Jennifer Auger, who embraced Kathy Allen as she cried after the verdict. Outside the courthouse, Kathy told reporters & the gathered crowd, “It’s not over.” An appeal IS coming. The defense can file it after sentencing.


12. We had hoped to hear from the families, attorneys & investigators after the verdict. Judge Gull has not yet lifted the gag order so none can talk until after sentencing. Becky Patty, Libby’s grandmother, posted this photo of Libby online after the verdict: a true superhero.




13. I am truly grateful for the opportunity to bring you details of this trial. Here’s our final #Delphi Debrief. It’s an emotional one.Thank you for reading, watching & trusting my 13News colleagues & me to take you inside the courtroom with us.



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c1QF9PfG4PQ


@BobSegallWTHR

 

[chaz]

I don't believe Richard Alle n wanted to plead guilty and take full responsibility. I think he just wanted his family and lawers to fight even harder for his freedom. The harder he was defended, the crazier he acted.
I also believe his behaviour on the video and his lawer's reaction in court was a scripted act. It was simply the best they could do for him. Some people are indefendable

 

[heartandsoul]

I was behind on this case, there’s a lot to follow and I needed a break after Letecia Stauch. When I saw the trial was happening, I thought I’d catch up quickly via a YouTube summary. They were a lawyer, great, I thought. I was really surprised to hear from the YouTuber that “no one” believed RA was BG, and that it was all a conspiracy.

I came back here, sunk time in, caught up and did not watch the YouTuber again.

Lesson learnt. Thank god for WS.

 

[Warwick7]

13 Things To Know From The #Delphi Murders Trial Today - Verdict Day - Nov 11


1. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.Jurors convicted Richard Allen on all 4 murder charges, finding he killed Abby Williams & Libby German. I sat 15 ft behind Allen as the verdict was read.


2. We started to realize a verdict was taking place today when Abby & Libby’s families walked into the courthouse at 1:12pm. The jury had spent approx 19 hours deliberating over 4 days when everyone started heading inside the building.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1856179355929423935

3. Outside the courthouse, a large crowd gathered to await the verdict. All major national news networks were present, as well as folks across Indiana, the nation & even some international visitors to hear what the jury had decided.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1856180598362014139

4. Judge Gull entered the courtroom at 2:11, saying that outbursts would not be tolerated when the verdict was read. “Regardless of what the verdict is, [some] people aren’t going to be happy,” she said, inviting those present to “take your unhappiness outside” or risk expulsion.

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5. Jurors entered at 2:19, gave Gull their verdict form, and were each polled about their decision. Then they were dismissed and left the courtroom at 2:22. Verdict was fast! Sitting in the front row, I had a pretty good vantage point to see reactions throughout the courtroom.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1856185141640528070

6. When the first GUILTY was announced, one of the victims’ family members said “Yes!” I could not tell who said it. Libby’s grandma, Becky, clutched her husband’s arm, smiled and hugged him. Libby’s mom cried. Abby’s family was seated further away but I saw smiles and hugs.

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7. Richard Allen showed no emotion whatsoever as the verdict was read. He later looked back at his wife & mother and said “Are you ok?” His family members cried, and his wife, Kathy, looked angry. After the verdict, Allen was led away in handcuffs with his hands behind his back.


8. The judge set a sentencing date for Dec 20. The hearing will take several hours (or all day) as the State & Defense argue for a longer/lighter sentence & the judge hears victim impact statements from families. Each charge brings a maximum penalty of 45-65 years in prison.


9. After the judge left the courtroom, that’s when the real emotion came out. Abby & Libby’s families got up and hugged each other and thanked and hugged the prosecutors. Prosecutor Nick McLeland hugged his dpty prosecutors and investigators. They all had a look of pure relief.

View attachment 544679


10. The strongest emotion came from Indiana State Police, who’ve been working the case for 7-1/2 years. ISP superintendent Doug Carter rested his face in his hands and cried. ISP investigator Jerry Holeman (pictured) gave Nick McLeland a bear hug and a kiss on the cheek.

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11. Richard Allen’s family was comforted by defense attorney Jennifer Auger, who embraced Kathy Allen as she cried after the verdict. Outside the courthouse, Kathy told reporters & the gathered crowd, “It’s not over.” An appeal IS coming. The defense can file it after sentencing.


12. We had hoped to hear from the families, attorneys & investigators after the verdict. Judge Gull has not yet lifted the gag order so none can talk until after sentencing. Becky Patty, Libby’s grandmother, posted this photo of Libby online after the verdict: a true superhero.


View attachment 544677

13. I am truly grateful for the opportunity to bring you details of this trial. Here’s our final #Delphi Debrief. It’s an emotional one.Thank you for reading, watching & trusting my 13News colleagues & me to take you inside the courtroom with us.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c1QF9PfG4PQ


@BobSegallWTHR

He forgot to add that Allen's family came in late and the Judge was not happy.

 

[INfisherman]

He forgot to add that Allen's family came in late and the Judge was not happy.

I believe it was also an attorney or two of his. JG told everyone that regardless of the verdict there would be unhappy people in the courtroom & for them to take their unhappiness outside.

 

[ClearAhead]

I don't believe Richard Alle n wanted to plead guilty and take full responsibility. I think he just wanted his family and lawers to fight even harder for his freedom. The harder he was defended, the crazier he acted.
I also believe his behaviour on the video and his lawer's reaction in court was a scripted act. It was simply the best they could do for him. Some people are indefendable

He was an unremarkable run of the mill middle age alcoholic, a nobody constantly seeking positive attention from his wife and mother.

Who knows, maybe he yearned to be more and so another motive for his murder Libby and Abby was it placed him, even as an unknown suspect, at the centre of a lot of attention. Chatter around town, media trucks arriving, online sleuthers making accusations against innocent people, did it give him a sense of importance to know the answers nobody else knew? Then as you say, following his arrest, the harder he was defended the crazier he acted. Was this all his show desperately seeking attention not unlike a child displaying inappropriate behaviour?

Well poor Richard, look where it’s got you. Once again you’re nobody special. In prison you’re just another criminal.

JMO

 

[sunshineray]

The SH testimony proves something contended on here when the D dropped Franks 3. The geofence warrant included the trails and the bridge. It was just a preliminary investigative tool so investigators could learn who was in the area that day. It does not reveal the killers, or any key witnesses.

MOO

The Prosectors podcast you linked, the one that had TMS people joining them...they made a really good point that seems to get lost when considering the jury and witness testimony about evidence.

Jurors don't come into a trial with a clean slate, it's not meant to be that way at all. Each juror brings in their life experience, their knowledge of many things, their sense of things. So as an example: When the defense's iPhone headphones expert testifies, it's absolutely acceptable to factor in your own experience with iPhones or in deliberations another's argument from their experiences with iPhones headphones, the phone getting wet or dirty etc...and utiluze it.

The same with the defense's bullet analysis, or lack thereof. You get to determine how credible it is, not from a professional standpoint of the science but from the fact that Warren testified that using only pictures in an examination of ballistics is not good and then he went on to say he never examined the bullet. You get to then say, well I'm disregarding that whole testimony, wasn't done right and even consider why Warren wasn't given the bullet to examine. Maybe the defense didn't want him to?

IMO, there were more instances in the trial where the jurors needed to decide weight of testimony using their life experiences and sense, whatever those might be, to decide and even influence deliberations. That, like one of the Prosecutors hosts said, is how the foundering fathers set it up to be. You don't check you own life's knowledge of things at the door and come in with a clean slate for the defense or prosecutors to fill in, only add to.

Some have said, oh I wonder what the jury will think once they hear about all the stuff that JG kept from coming in, they'll be upset somehow that they were cheated from knowing it all and it will matter in hindsight. I think it won't matter at all because they decided by what was shown, the absence of things and used their own life's knowledge to then figure the weight of it all. The jury was never suppose to be a clean canvas to paint on, the painting was already started.

Just some thoughts and AJMO

 

[Colinnew]

Yes Yes Yes! Finally justice for Abby and Libby!

RA will have a bumpy ride in prison considering the horrendous crimes he committed.

I’m curious to hear from TT, August and photograph who were all huge RA supporters.

Just my opinion of course.

 

[Myvice]

Can anyone tell me if it was the FBI or ISP that took the lead on the Odenist part of the investigation?

 

[arielilane]

Richard Allen found GUILTY of murder in 2017 deaths of Libby & Abby​

 

[Warwick7]

The Prosectors podcast you linked, the one that had TMS people joining them...they made a really good point that seems to get lost when considering the jury and witness testimony about evidence.

Jurors don't come into a trial with a clean slate, it's not meant to be that way at all. Each juror brings in their life experience, their knowledge of many things, their sense of things. So as an example: When the defense's iPhone headphones expert testifies, it's absolutely acceptable to factor in your own experience with iPhones or in deliberations another's argument from their experiences with iPhones headphones, the phone getting wet or dirty etc...and utiluze it.

The same with the defense's bullet analysis, or lack thereof. You get to determine how credible it is, not from a professional standpoint of the science but from the fact that Warren testified that using only pictures in an examination of ballistics is not good and then he went on to say he never examined the bullet. You get to then say, well I'm disregarding that whole testimony, wasn't done right and even consider why Warren wasn't given the bullet to examine. Maybe the defense didn't want him to?

IMO, there were more instances in the trial where the jurors needed to decide weight of testimony using their life experiences and sense, whatever those might be, to decide and even influence deliberations. That, like one of the Prosecutors hosts said, is how the foundering fathers set it up to be. You don't check you own life's knowledge of things at the door and come in with a clean slate for the defense or prosecutors to fill in, only add to.

Some have said, oh I wonder what the jury will think once they hear about all the stuff that JG kept from coming in, they'll be upset somehow that they were cheated from knowing it all and it will matter in hindsight. I think it won't matter at all because they decided by what was shown, the absence of things and used their own life's knowledge to then figure the weight of it all. The jury was never suppose to be a clean canvas to paint on, the painting was already started.

Just some thoughts and AJMO

BBM
Good grief I forgot about that.

 

[INfisherman]

Can anyone tell me if it was the FBI or ISP that took the lead on the Odenist part of the investigation?

I could be mistaken, but I believe multiple agencies were involved. If you can find the Franks memos, it will shed light on almost all of it.

MOO

 

[Myvice]

I could be mistaken, but I believe multiple agencies were involved. If you can find the Franks memos, it will shed light on almost all of it.

MOO

TY. I'm just curious if that had anything to do with the FBI being released from the investigation.

 

[Tealgrove]

To add….

IMO, the P simply built a better story, in order, which was easier to understand. The D just came in with guns blazing but they were spinning in circles, shooting wildly & mostly missing their intended targets. I saw some flashes of good ideas here & there, but the complete picture just wasn’t there at all. They just didn’t seem to be organized & I feel that made their story more difficult to follow.

ETA first line, clarity

MOO

IMO

Had the DT spent quality time reading the Discovery, working with their client and bonafide professionals, they MAY have been able to piece together a sensible Defense. Attack the investigation, poke holes where they needed to be poked but not this defence Team.

Instead of attacking the evidence, they chose to recruit a bunch of money hungry YouTubers in an effort to build conspiracies and fanciful tales of Ritual Sacrifice and ridiculous theories that should find them embarrassed.

They lied, cheated, made up stories and got paid for it to boot!

They disgust me.

I happen to believe RA is Guilty. The Good Guys won yesterday and the Bad Guys lost.

However, RA was not afforded a decent Defense and when he had a chance to get new representation he chose to stick with these miscreants and they sold him down the river. The smug look on Brad Rozzi’s face yesterday as he left court made me nauseous.

They were lazy and threw together a haphazard defence that showed they were ill equipped to represent RA. The fact they kept asking to bring in the SODDI Defence was a joke.

IMO JMO IMHO