GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #216

[Sheila Terranova]

Here ya go.

"The jury was shown a video of "Bridge Guy" for a third time. This time the video that was shown had been enhanced to stabilize the man and to listen to what was being said. "Guys, down the hill." Liggett interpreted the video by saying he believes you could hear the voices of both girls in the video. He thinks Abby said "Don't leave me up here," and Libby said something about a gun before "down the hill" was said by a man."

Link: Delphi Murders Trial: Day 6 | No other report of Allen on trails other than self-reported tip

Thank you. God bless them both.

 

[Sheila Terranova]

This link will help. Lots of info in here.

https://search.app?link=https%3A%2F%2Ffox59.com%2Fdelphi-trial%2Fdelphi-murders-misfiled-report-from-2017-put-allen-in-investigators-sights-in-2022%2F&utm_campaign=aga&utm_source=agsadl2%2Csh%2Fx%2Fgs%2Fm2%2F4

Thank you. It’s incredible that anyone could be so evil to hurt such innocents .

 

[technicallymissing]

IIRC correctly, didn’t TC have a change of heart concerning all that, like just in the past few months?

JMO

Do you mean a change of heart as in thinking an Odinist cult was not involved or thinking they were? TMS reached out to him last year after the Franks memorandum and he responded with a statement that he gave them permission to read on the podcast.
"There are two things I would like to clear up immediately. Detective Ferency and Detective Murphy were not Rushville cops. Detective Ferency was a detective from the Terre Haute Police Department that was assigned to the FBI joint terrorism task force. Detective Murphy was an Indiana State Police detective that was also assigned to the task force. So the FBI was associated with the investigation until at least July 2021. Secondly, no one in law enforcement believes Abby and Libby were killed in a ritual sacrifice. That is the defense twisting facts for sensationalism. You can quote me on those two items." - Todd Click, September 2023

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[justtrish]

I am very curious to hear mitigating v aggravating factors that may be revealed during the sentencing phase. Still so little has been publicly shared about Rick. Who is this man? What made him snap?

Would they even put on these things because if their stance is he didn't do it, then what is there to say?

I know what I wish would happen.. I wish he would stand up and say he did it and exactly what happened. That won't happen because too many people are profiting off of him. IMO

 

[justtrish]

I had hoped to hear more from people who might come forward now that the trial is over and after sentencing, but I wouldn't blame them if they don't. This case has brought out a new level of crazy I've never seen. I'd be afraid to speak out publicly and I don't think we'll ever really know the truth anyway.

Just MOO, I think RA was a disturbed individual, had sexual perversions probably from a young age according to Wala's testimony. He suffered from Anxiety and Depression, as do millions of Americans so that's not a pass. He was able to function in society, hold down a job, own a home, life time marriage, successful daughter, spent 10 years in the National Guard. I think he definitely had an alcohol problem according to his 2015 LE contact and his stay somewhere in 2019.

Sometimes there is just plain evil in people, maybe on Feb 13th, 2017 the combination of all of these sent him hunting. I don't think he snapped, I think he'd wanted to do this for a while and that was the unluckiest day for Abby and Libby.

JMO

Did they ever say what the timing of that 2019 stay was? I am curious as it was in 2019 that the case was in the headlines again with going in a new direction. I'd be really interested in knowing if it was shortly after that new direction press conference happened that he needed help.

 

[Megnut]

The greatest source of rumor-brought-to-WS were motions filed by the Defense which were written, not to impress the judge (they didn't) but IMO to incite the public.

I do wish the trial had been recorded, if only to be released at a later date.

As a case study.

Headcase.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

I noticed that too. I was thinking that the Defense Team was hoping that during transport the Jurors would notice those blue/teal and purple ribbons that were put up around Delphi in honour of Abby & Libby ...

and would somehow associated them with support for RA.

IMO.

Very deliberate.

Smells just like a stolen hashtag.

All in a sick attempt to cash in on the public's sympathy for the victims and siphon it for RA's benefit.

Deplorable.

JMO

 

[technicallymissing]

Before I bow out of here myself, and since I do not publicly speculate often, I have to bring up one thing that has stuck with me during these proceedings and that is basically the duality of man and the psychology here.

Please understand this is not an attempt to knock KA. I won't put down a person for standing beside their spouse.

Coincidentally that is exactly what perplexes me on RA's side...

I still have such a hard time fully accepting the dependency or the overwhelming "love" he apparently has for his wife. I believe he loves the strong security blanket KA provides.

Does a person that is highly dependent upon another not also seek sexual gratification from them? Wouldn't she (the center of his universe) have been sufficient or even more desirable than most fantasy?

Are 3 beers really enough to throw away that entire dependency as well as the shame and guilt from even premeditating something so heinous as rape of small children?

So much compartmentalization and so many small questions but at least we no longer have to ask if he is guilty.



In the end, I understand that people make impulsive, irrational decisions all the time, but you would think someone in his position of need would be even more aware of that and the repercussions following.


To me Richard Allen isn't dependent he is selfish...and ultimately married his real defense lawyer...not his lover.

jmho

(bbm)
I think you nailed it right here. I would hazard a guess RA's attachment to K is much more about what she symbolizes than anything to do with her as a person or how desirable or not desirable she is to him. With her, he's a married man, a father, a provider, whatever. She is a key part in maintaining his illusion of being a normal, successful, well-adjusted and functioning man in society and without her it is much more difficult for him to fend off the deep feelings of inferiority and fear of people thinking poorly of him, things that have seemingly plagued him for a very, very long time if not his entire life.

We know he certainly wasn't thriving in the working world. He doesn't seem to have been particularly well-liked or had a lot of friends. What else is left to measure any success (and again, normalcy) in his life other than his marriage? I think the fact that he professes to care so much about her but repeatedly ignores how she is feeling, even when she's expressly asking him to do/not to do something (i.e. in the interrogation w/ Holeman and prison calls) supports this. It's all about him, and how he needs her to make him feel.

Eta I recall Holeman noting in the interrogation, when they were just chatting before things got serious, that RA seemed particularly proud of the fact that he owned his home. Another thing crossed off on RA's list of "how to be normal" imo

 

[Ravenmoon]

I haven't followed this trial too closely but watched yesterday's coverage of the verdict and was surprised to see the one lawtuber with his arm around Allen's wife as she walked out of the courthouse sputtering "this isn't over at all." Did not know some of these people were so closely involved. Wild.

It was and still is all about optics.
That YouTuber will move on and forget about KA in basically no time.
The bottom line is that the friendship and kinship relied on clicks and dollars.

Once that ship has truly sailed, KA is going to be really and truly alone.

I hope that for her future well being, she rebuilds family bridges and concentrates on her next chapter.

"It's not over" will end. She needs to be prepared.

AJMO

 

[loveplace]

(bbm)
I think you nailed it right here. I would hazard a guess RA's attachment to K is much more about what she symbolizes than anything to do with her as a person or how desirable or not desirable she is to him. With her, he's a married man, a father, a provider, whatever. She is a key part in maintaining his illusion of being a normal, successful, well-adjusted and functioning man in society and without her it is much more difficult for him to fend off the deep feelings of inferiority and fear of people thinking poorly of him, things that have seemingly plagued him for a very, very long time if not his entire life.

We know he certainly wasn't thriving in the working world. He doesn't seem to have been particularly well-liked or had a lot of friends. What else is left to measure any success (and again, normalcy) in his life than his marriage? I think the fact that he professes to care so much about her but repeatedly ignores how she is feeling, even when she's expressly asking him to do/not to do something (i.e. in the interrogation w/ Holeman and prison calls) supports this. It's all about him, and how he needs her to make him feel.

I think you are onto something. I also wonder if he hates his dependence on her even as he relies on it.

 

[Warwick7]

Before I bow out of here myself, and since I do not publicly speculate often, I have to bring up one thing that has stuck with me during these proceedings and that is basically the duality of man and the psychology here.

Please understand this is not an attempt to knock KA. I won't put down a person for standing beside their spouse.

Coincidentally that is exactly what perplexes me on RA's side...

I still have such a hard time fully accepting the dependency or the overwhelming "love" he apparently has for his wife. I believe he loves the strong security blanket KA provides.

Does a person that is highly dependent upon another not also seek sexual gratification from them? Wouldn't she (the center of his universe) have been sufficient or even more desirable than most fantasy?

Are 3 beers really enough to throw away that entire dependency as well as the shame and guilt from even premeditating something so heinous as rape of small children?

So much compartmentalization and so many small questions but at least we no longer have to ask if he is guilty.



In the end, I understand that people make impulsive, irrational decisions all the time, but you would think someone in his position of need would be even more aware of that and the repercussions following.


To me Richard Allen isn't dependent he is selfish...and ultimately married his real defense lawyer...not his lover.

jmho

Excellent post!

 

[iamshadow21]

I am very curious to hear mitigating v aggravating factors that may be revealed during the sentencing phase. Still so little has been publicly shared about Rick. Who is this man? What made him snap?

No 'snap' about it, in my opinion.

He went there, dressed and armed and ready, left his phone behind. He pregamed with alcohol. Picked a day when his family wouldn't miss him for a few hours, and he'd have time to clean up afterwards.

He planned and fantasised for years before he ever crossed paths with Abby and Libby.

That day was just the day when everything fell horribly into place. He had the nerve, he found victims he liked, and he was able to isolate, trap and kidnap them to a place he could sexually assault and kill them. It doesn't get more premeditated.

MOO

 

[Warwick7]

No 'snap' about it, in my opinion.

He went there, dressed and armed and ready, left his phone behind. He pregamed with alcohol. Picked a day when his family wouldn't miss him for a few hours, and he'd have time to clean up afterwards.

He planned and fantasised for years before he ever crossed paths with Abby and Libby.

That day was just the day when everything fell horribly into place. He had the nerve, he found victims he liked, and he was able to isolate, trap and kidnap them to a place he could sexually assault and kill them. It doesn't get more premeditated.

MOO

BBM
Well....he did tell the psychologist he had a sex addiction.

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[Ravenmoon]

JMO

There is no need to feel "sorry" for the jurors.

They reviewed the evidence. They saw what they needed to move forward with a guilty verdict.

It was clear that jurors ( the majority) knew about the Delphi case and swore that they had no preconceived idea of RAs guilt or innocence .

They put their lives on hold, asked intelligent questions and poured their hearts and souls into making the correct choice.

These are adults, not children, that chose to put a brutal child killer in prison. Likely forever. Good on them.

They should stand tall knowing that the little town of Delphi is a tiny bit safer.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

Before I bow out of here myself, and since I do not publicly speculate often, I have to bring up one thing that has stuck with me during these proceedings and that is basically the duality of man and the psychology here.

Please understand this is not an attempt to knock KA. I won't put down a person for standing beside their spouse.

Coincidentally that is exactly what perplexes me on RA's side...

I still have such a hard time fully accepting the dependency or the overwhelming "love" he apparently has for his wife. I believe he loves the strong security blanket KA provides.

Does a person that is highly dependent upon another not also seek sexual gratification from them? Wouldn't she (the center of his universe) have been sufficient or even more desirable than most fantasy?

Are 3 beers really enough to throw away that entire dependency as well as the shame and guilt from even premeditating something so heinous as rape of small children?

So much compartmentalization and so many small questions but at least we no longer have to ask if he is guilty.



In the end, I understand that people make impulsive, irrational decisions all the time, but you would think someone in his position of need would be even more aware of that and the repercussions following.


To me Richard Allen isn't dependent he is selfish...and ultimately married his real defense lawyer...not his lover.

jmho

I agree, RA is a typical sociopath who only cares about himself. He's been manipulating the women in his life to take care of him, both financially, emotionally and otherwise. He knew how to play his family members to keep them on his side.

JMO, he had been planning these murders for a while. He had no intention of setting the girls free. He needed to kill them so there were no witnesses. JMO, he expressed no genuine remorse. He's not sorry it happened, he feels no emotions towards his victims.

 

[technicallymissing]

I think you are onto something. I also wonder if he hates his dependence on her even as he relies on it.

I absolutely agree. Resenting his dependence on her would make him feel even worse about himself. Drive him to drink, etc as well as the worst thing he did which is unfortunately why we are all here. Deeply infuriating that innocent Libby and Abby were the victims of all of his self-hatred, self-pity, resentment, perversion and blinding selfishness that day on the trails.

 

[sunshineray]

I am very curious to hear mitigating v aggravating factors that may be revealed during the sentencing phase. Still so little has been publicly shared about Rick. Who is this man? What made him snap?

I'll take a lay person guess.

Sounds like RA has been a depressive personality who had anxiety about lots of things too. He grew up anxious, always second guessing himself, especially about how others percieved him. It kept him always on edge and a loner.

It's also been said he had dependency issues. So willing to let others drive the life boat until he needs to have a tantrum to assert himself, this behavior was likely transferred probably from his mother to wife.

Looks to me like he has anger issues that can get out of control with what I would call tantrums, I'll-show-you or Oh-woe-is-me-it's-not-fair episodes.

He's probably medicated his depression with meds and his anxiety with meds and alcohol. I think the alcohol was to get rid of that second guessing feeling, the stress that he couldn't blend in.

He also told Dr. Wala in confessions he has a sex addiction. That's most likely been in play since puberty. Alcohol may have also been used to drown out thoughts of offending...until that didn't work anymore.

So childhood problems as told to the defense's psychiatrist via KA will certainly be brought up. Maybe his dependency issues will be brought up to show what a lost soul he's always been. I doubt the sex addiction will be addressed.

All that gleaned from the defense and prosecution mental health witness testimonies and AJMO

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[INfisherman]

Do you mean a change of heart as in thinking an Odinist cult was not involved or thinking they were? TMS reached out to him last year after the Franks memorandum and he responded with a statement that he gave them permission to read on the podcast.
"There are two things I would like to clear up immediately. Detective Ferency and Detective Murphy were not Rushville cops. Detective Ferency was a detective from the Terre Haute Police Department that was assigned to the FBI joint terrorism task force. Detective Murphy was an Indiana State Police detective that was also assigned to the task force. So the FBI was associated with the investigation until at least July 2021. Secondly, no one in law enforcement believes Abby and Libby were killed in a ritual sacrifice. That is the defense twisting facts for sensationalism. You can quote me on those two items." - Todd Click, September 2023

The Delphi Murders: Todd Click on the Franks Memorandum

In this episode, we will report on an exclusive statement from the former assistant chief of police from Rushville, Indiana: Todd Click. Send tips to...

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Thank you for clarifying the timing/date. I thought I’d read what you’d bolded above somewhere. It very well could've been in another post here. My following of this case was sporadic until late this summer, so I’ve not quite gotten all the facts straight in my head.

 

[heartandsoul]

I sampled both LL & AB at the suggestion of a couple of folks who shall remain nameless & didn’t make it past 2 minutes for either. It was a moment of clarity for me & explained why so many things were seemingly twisted into what I felt was nonsense. Lots of distractions which did nothing but muddy the waters.

I found that news sources closer to the trial & within the state were often as well informed as possible, given the restrictions. There were a few hiccups but typically those were ironed out by 7-8pm EST & corrected if necessary.

MOO

They’re the two I saw as well. I wasn’t a fan!

 

[tlcya]

I can see where sexy time with a person who serves as basically a mother figure (JMO) in your life might not be nearly as titillating and appealing to a man who seems to rely on his wife for his decision making and self esteem. That dependence upon KA may have left him feeling both safe and yet resentful (ie. safe but small and impotent).

I will never know the answer to this but I really want to know more about his relationship with his mother. Prior to meeting and marrying KA, was she the one he relied upon for decision making and sense of self?

People with DPD believe they can’t take care of themselves. They may have trouble making everyday decisions, like what to wear or what food to eat, without others’ reassurance. They usually don’t realize that their thoughts and behaviors are problematic.
Dependent Personality Disorder

I personally think a resentful, small, angry RA is who Abby and Libby encountered that warm afternoon, not the mild mannered man the jury saw in the courtroom.