GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #216

[Spartygirl]

Sorry for the redundant dumb question, as I recall RA phoned in the original tip and then DD phoned back to follow up, yes?

IIRC, Yes, that is what was said in court.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

IIRC, Yes, that is what was said in court.

Thanks- that’s what I thought I’d remembered too

 

[shonyakay]

Thanks- that’s what I thought I’d remembered too

I'm not saying who is right or wrong but in this article it mentions what RA told Liggett and Mullin in October 2022.

Mullin asked about why Allen reported being on the trail on Feb. 13, 2017.

"It was the next day or a couple of days later,” he said. “I went down because my wife said they wanted to talk to anyone who had been there.”

Mullin then asked about Allen’s meeting with Conservation Officer Dan Dulin shortly after he reported the tip.

“He called when I was in the car,” he said. “I pulled over to talk to him. I was headed to Save A Lot, and I told him I could just meet him there.”

‘I didn’t do it’ - Carroll County Comet

This is a two-part series. Tomorrow we will post Allen’s confessions testified to by employees and former employees of the Indiana Department of Corrections. “I didn’t do it.” Richard Allen sat in an interview room at the Indiana State Police Lafayette Post across the table from Lt. Jerry...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

 

[Boxer]

I'm not saying who is right or wrong but in this article it mentions what RA told Liggett and Mullin in October 2022.

Mullin asked about why Allen reported being on the trail on Feb. 13, 2017.

"It was the next day or a couple of days later,” he said. “I went down because my wife said they wanted to talk to anyone who had been there.”

Mullin then asked about Allen’s meeting with Conservation Officer Dan Dulin shortly after he reported the tip.

“He called when I was in the car,” he said. “I pulled over to talk to him. I was headed to Save A Lot, and I told him I could just meet him there.”

‘I didn’t do it’ - Carroll County Comet

This is a two-part series. Tomorrow we will post Allen’s confessions testified to by employees and former employees of the Indiana Department of Corrections. “I didn’t do it.” Richard Allen sat in an interview room at the Indiana State Police Lafayette Post across the table from Lt. Jerry...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

Yes. He worked next door, CVS next to Save-a-Lot.

 

[Megnut]

Yes. He worked next door, CVS next to Save-a-Lot.

And about the same minute-away from the police station.

A block too far....

JMO

 

[Boxer]

And about the same minute-away from the police station.

A block too far....

JMO

MOO Caught off guard didn't want to reveal his workplace that he had to get to, offered Save-a-Lot.

Yep. All the police picking up meds, chew etc. at CVS for 5 years.

 

[ClearAhead]

This Carroll County Comet article by the local reporter who covered the trial is worth reading: Moving forward - Carroll County Comet

A brief excerpt:

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Use whatever you are feeling and turn it into good. If you are angry, good; use that anger to harness heavy labor and help make the Abby and Libby Memorial Park beautiful. If you are sad, be sad, and when you are done, get up and find joy. If you are numb, sit in it for a while and then get up and find life, find something that makes you want to wake up each day and fight for it.

There is no closure from such a senseless act – there is only movement forward.

Thanks for linking this heartbreaking piece, directly from the heart of the writer. It brings the entire essence of the tragedy to the forefront leaving no doubt RA was BG.

 

[mrjitty]

Something that remains odd to me is why the defence did not invest more of their resources in a proper analysis of the unspent round.

This seems to have been one of their best avenues to challenge the evidence at the heart of the case.

Thoughts?

 

[iamshadow21]

Something that remains odd to me is why the defence did not invest more of their resources in a proper analysis of the unspent round.

This seems to have been one of their best avenues to challenge the evidence at the heart of the case.

Thoughts?

Because if their Franks was successful, then his gun would be excluded, and the bullet would be meaningless, lacking its connection to RA.

From the start, they chose to focus on one thing and one thing only - get all the search evidence thrown out. And they never changed their approach or diversified their options. And that was a fatal flaw.

MOO

 

[mrjitty]

Because if their Franks was successful, then his gun would be excluded, and the bullet would be meaningless, lacking its connection to RA.

From the start, they chose to focus on one thing and one thing only - get all the search evidence thrown out. And they never changed their approach or diversified their options. And that was a fatal flaw.

MOO

Right but they knew long ago the Franks strategy had failed - and they still had the best part of a year until trial.

 

[iamshadow21]

Right but they knew long ago the Franks strategy had failed - and they still had the best part of a year until trial.

But they never gave up on it. We got, what was it, five Franks? And then they tried to get the same muddying spin from them admissible at trial. All that went on right up till trial. And even at trial, they tried to get it in.

It's like they decided at the beginning what they were going to do - get the search evidence thrown out, and to do that, create a whole lot of chaos - SODDI, ritual sacrifice, LE incompetence and conspiracy, leaks, lies.

At no point did it seem that they actually approached this case with the expectation that they would have to go to trial and defend in a conventional way - by countering the evidence presented with clever cross examination and by presenting their own witnesses who would argue that the evidence meant something different to what the prosecution said it did. It always seemed to me that they put all their eggs in one basket - get the search evidence thrown out = no trial. And they never changed tracks. They were still working the same playbook at the pretrial hearings in August! Get it all thrown out, or create so much chaos and confusion that the jurors don't know what's up.

And when they couldn't do that, they were down to literal weeks before trial, and no time to actually prepare a defense strategy based in reality or find (or be able to pay) expert witnesses willing to testify.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Something that remains odd to me is why the defence did not invest more of their resources in a proper analysis of the unspent round.

This seems to have been one of their best avenues to challenge the evidence at the heart of the case.

Thoughts?

Whether one believes in the scientific reliability of ballistics testing or not, the State's Expert was a Pro. She was an excellent witness with an impressive track record. She demolished the incredibly weak Defense 'Expert'.

That bullet was big to the State's case even though SM cranks had painted it as having no COC and being retrieved days or weeks later. They were trying hard to dispel any evidence tying it to the scene, too hard... nothing to see here guys.

JMO

 

[FromGermany1]

WHY Abby and Libby?
WHY Delphi?
WHY Carroll County?
WHY Indiana?

Does DC have all his answers now?

 

[girlhasnoname]

WHY Abby and Libby?
WHY Delphi?
WHY Carroll County?
WHY Indiana?

Does DC have all his answers now?

It will be interesting to hear what is shared after the gag order is lifted. IMO

 

[Kittybunny]

WHY Abby and Libby?
WHY Delphi?
WHY Carroll County?
WHY Indiana?

Does DC have all his answers now?

I doubt he ever will, unless he accepts the fact that no one, no town, no County, no State is exempt from random acts of violence and murder that are often carried out by the most ordinary unassuming of men who carry evil in their hearts, but hide in plain sight.

 

[Justice101]

Something that remains odd to me is why the defence did not invest more of their resources in a proper analysis of the unspent round.

This seems to have been one of their best avenues to challenge the evidence at the heart of the case.

Thoughts?

I think the analysis I saw with a double blind study was 1 error per 5000 ejected bullets or something like that. I agree with @mrjitty that was their best chance at having something meaningful to question the state witness on. I was actually surprised that the prosecution used that bullet evidence at all. But in light of the defense doing nothing, it was a solid move.

I looked and cannot find that study.

 

[Boxer]

Something that remains odd to me is why the defence did not invest more of their resources in a proper analysis of the unspent round.

This seems to have been one of their best avenues to challenge the evidence at the heart of the case.

Thoughts?

MOO because it matched and attacking it was easier without more specific reasons it was cycled in RAs gun.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Something that remains odd to me is why the defence did not invest more of their resources in a proper analysis of the unspent round.

This seems to have been one of their best avenues to challenge the evidence at the heart of the case.

Thoughts?

I think it’s simply because they knew what the outcome would be.
Maybe they had somebody look over LE’s analysis and they told the defense it was spot on. So no need to waste money on a complete analysis, they just hired somebody and denied him the opportunity to thoroughly examine the bullet. Just use photos. Cannot do your on test firing.
I think it was an important moment in the trial when on cross examination the defense expert testified the reason he had not examined the bullet or done his own tests was because the defense attorneys had only wanted him to look at the photos.
This was so typical of the defense throughout the lead up to the trial. Half truths and out right lies.
Another possibility for, not just the ballistics, but all their actions in this case is that they are really really bad lawyers, and are related to Winnie the Pooh, in that, like him, they are of very little brain.

 

[gremlin444]

NM has filed a Praecipe For Transcript for defense ballistic witness Eric Warren’s testimony.

 

[Boxer]

I think it’s simply because they knew what the outcome would be.
Maybe they had somebody look over LE’s analysis and they told the defense it was spot on. So no need to waste money on a complete analysis, they just hired somebody and denied him the opportunity to thoroughly examine the bullet. Just use photos. Cannot do your on test firing.
I think it was an important moment in the trial when on cross examination the defense expert testified the reason he had not examined the bullet or done his own tests was because the defense attorneys had only wanted him to look at the photos.
This was so typical of the defense throughout the lead up to the trial. Half truths and out right lies.
Another possibility for, not just the ballistics, but all their actions in this case is that they are really really bad lawyers, and are related to Winnie the Pooh, in that, like him, they are of very little brain.

Agree. After they leaked the crime scene photos, Judge Gull tried to have them remove themselves from the case, to which they initially said "yes" then went back on their word, and took being removed tothe ISC who said her only error was that she should have brought a formal hearing process against them.

So she tried to get normal defense lawyers for RA. RA wanted them back and that is why they were in court representing him.