GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #216

[k-mac]

I think it’s simply because they knew what the outcome would be.
Maybe they had somebody look over LE’s analysis and they told the defense it was spot on. So no need to waste money on a complete analysis, they just hired somebody and denied him the opportunity to thoroughly examine the bullet. Just use photos. Cannot do your on test firing.
I think it was an important moment in the trial when on cross examination the defense expert testified the reason he had not examined the bullet or done his own tests was because the defense attorneys had only wanted him to look at the photos.
This was so typical of the defense throughout the lead up to the trial. Half truths and out right lies.
Another possibility for, not just the ballistics, but all their actions in this case is that they are really really bad lawyers, and are related to Winnie the Pooh, in that, like him, they are of very little brain.

Yeah so true, most of us could see how ineffective his defence was.

BUT.... I hope it comes up at appeals, all the 'defence' attys on youtube with all their expertise telling the masses how incredible a job the defence was doing.

wouldn't that be something fantastic to come out of all of this social media sabotage/grand standing.

ACCOUNTABILITY. CONSEQUENCES.

 

[Gigiky]

Yeah so true, most of us could see how ineffective his defence was.

BUT.... I hope it comes up at appeals, all the 'defence' attys on youtube with all their expertise telling the masses how incredible a job the defence was doing.

wouldn't that be something fantastic to come out of all of this social media sabotage/grand standing.

ACCOUNTABILITY. CONSEQUENCES.

JMO, But I think that both the D as well P could have done a better job. A I look forward to seeing what comes out during the appeals process.

 

[FromGermany1]

Is there a secret, why RA stayed with his original lawyers and wanted them back? Or did KA have the saying, which lawyer to choose and why not to change despite an offer? Little dependent RA seems to care for KA's opinion a lot.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Is there a secret, why RA stayed with his original lawyers and wanted them back? Or did KA have the saying, which lawyer to choose and why not to change despite an offer? Little dependent RA seems to care for KA's opinion a lot.

I believe R&B pushed RA to stay with them as did KA. JMO

From the SCOIN hearings:
<snipped & BBM>

In the explanation on why to keep Gull on the case, which was unanimous amongst the justices, they argued nothing in the judge's decision to disqualify Allen's original attorneys shows bias or prejudice against Allen. They said it appeared to them that she was "trying to protect Allen's right to effective assistance of counsel." Additionally, the justices found Allen did not point to "anything suggesting the special judge is biased against Baldwin and Rozzi."

'Lacked the authority' | Indiana Supreme Court releases opinion in Delphi murders case orders

 

[somequestions]

In my opinion I think I might have figured out why the jury convicted Richard Allen. It has to do with the timeline Richard Allen gave of being at the Monon High Bridge trail from 12 - 1:30pm. The information I got is from the Carroll County Comet article dated October 25, 2024. The title is DNA and digital evidence has yet to link Allen to murders of Caroll County teens.

On the day of the murders Richard Allen said he left his mother's house in the Mexico, Indiana area at around 11 to 11:15pm. Then he went back home and got bundled up to go to the Monon High Bridge around 12 pm.

The problem is Richard Allen's confession to Dr. Wala. In it he gave another important detail(besides the van), that he stopped and got a six pack(of beer?). He told Dr. Wala he drank 3 before going to the trail and 3 later after he got back from the trail. It takes about 35-40 minutes to drive from Mexico, Indiana back to Delphi. That would put Richard Allen at home around noon or 15 - 20 minutes before noon.

How did Richard Allen have time to drink the 3 beers? He didn't if you are to believe the story that he was on the trails from 12 - 1:30pm. Drinking the 3 beers first makes it much more likely he was arriving to the trails at around 1:30pm, not leaving. Also, the article states that police were able to uniquely identify the 2016 Ford Focus on the Hoosier Harvest Store surveillance camera due to the racing spoke wheels. Until I read this information it did not make sense why the jury believed the state's timeline.

I still think Richard Allen deserves a new trial because this is not the way police and prosecution should be getting confessions. Also, this information only puts him on the trails between 1:30 - 3:30pm which everyone already suspected due to the confession regarding the van. I think the minor detail about drinking the 3 beers first made his credibility suspect regarding the timeline. In my opinion, the jury convicted him because of it.

 

[sunspun]

In my opinion I think I might have figured out why the jury convicted Richard Allen. It has to do with the timeline Richard Allen gave of being at the Monon High Bridge trail from 12 - 1:30pm. The information I got is from the Carroll County Comet article dated October 25, 2024. The title is DNA and digital evidence has yet to link Allen to murders of Caroll County teens.

On the day of the murders Richard Allen said he left his mother's house in the Mexico, Indiana area at around 11 to 11:15pm. Then he went back home and got bundled up to go to the Monon High Bridge around 12 pm.

The problem is Richard Allen's confession to Dr. Wala. In it he gave another important detail(besides the van), that he stopped and got a six pack(of beer?). He told Dr. Wala he drank 3 before going to the trail and 3 later after he got back from the trail. It takes about 35-40 minutes to drive from Mexico, Indiana back to Delphi. That would put Richard Allen at home around noon or 15 - 20 minutes before noon.

How did Richard Allen have time to drink the 3 beers? He didn't if you are to believe the story that he was on the trails from 12 - 1:30pm. Drinking the 3 beers first makes it much more likely he was arriving to the trails at around 1:30pm, not leaving. Also, the article states that police were able to uniquely identify the 2016 Ford Focus on the Hoosier Harvest Store surveillance camera due to the racing spoke wheels. Until I read this information it did not make sense why the jury believed the state's timeline.

I still think Richard Allen deserves a new trial because this is not the way police and prosecution should be getting confessions. Also, this information only puts him on the trails between 1:30 - 3:30pm which everyone already suspected due to the confession regarding the van. I think the minor detail about drinking the 3 beers first made his credibility suspect regarding the timeline. In my opinion, the jury convicted him because of it.

He could have finished off 3 beers on the drive back home from his mom's. I doubt he had a problem with drinking and driving.

 

[Boxer]

In my opinion I think I might have figured out why the jury convicted Richard Allen. It has to do with the timeline Richard Allen gave of being at the Monon High Bridge trail from 12 - 1:30pm. The information I got is from the Carroll County Comet article dated October 25, 2024. The title is DNA and digital evidence has yet to link Allen to murders of Caroll County teens.

On the day of the murders Richard Allen said he left his mother's house in the Mexico, Indiana area at around 11 to 11:15pm. Then he went back home and got bundled up to go to the Monon High Bridge around 12 pm.

The problem is Richard Allen's confession to Dr. Wala. In it he gave another important detail(besides the van), that he stopped and got a six pack(of beer?). He told Dr. Wala he drank 3 before going to the trail and 3 later after he got back from the trail. It takes about 35-40 minutes to drive from Mexico, Indiana back to Delphi. That would put Richard Allen at home around noon or 15 - 20 minutes before noon.

How did Richard Allen have time to drink the 3 beers? He didn't if you are to believe the story that he was on the trails from 12 - 1:30pm. Drinking the 3 beers first makes it much more likely he was arriving to the trails at around 1:30pm, not leaving. Also, the article states that police were able to uniquely identify the 2016 Ford Focus on the Hoosier Harvest Store surveillance camera due to the racing spoke wheels. Until I read this information it did not make sense why the jury believed the state's timeline.

I still think Richard Allen deserves a new trial because this is not the way police and prosecution should be getting confessions. Also, this information only puts him on the trails between 1:30 - 3:30pm which everyone already suspected due to the confession regarding the van. I think the minor detail about drinking the 3 beers first made his credibility suspect regarding the timeline. In my opinion, the jury convicted him because of it.

MOO No histrionic confessions needed.
He was not on the trail 12-1:30.

The 3(4) girls were on the trail during that "alternate" timeframe he offered. No Allen.

Lies are a form of confession.

 

[Arkay]

How did Richard Allen have time to drink the 3 beers? He didn't if you are to believe the story that he was on the trails from 12 - 1:30pm. Drinking the 3 beers first makes it much more likely he was arriving to the trails at around 1:30pm, not leaving

He could have finished off 3 beers on the drive back home from his mom's. I doubt he had a problem with drinking and driving.

I have to agree with @sunspun here.

Of course I do not know Richard Allen and so I don’t know his particular habits.

But it certainly seems to me that a man capable of kidnapping and murdering two young girls would not be a stickler regarding the laws concerning drinking and driving.

For all we know, he may have gulped them all down in a few minutes to give him the “courage” to do what he set out to do that day.


IMO this three beers before and three beers after issue only adds to his guilt, not subtracts.

 

[Warwick7]

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[Warwick7]

In my opinion I think I might have figured out why the jury convicted Richard Allen. It has to do with the timeline Richard Allen gave of being at the Monon High Bridge trail from 12 - 1:30pm. The information I got is from the Carroll County Comet article dated October 25, 2024. The title is DNA and digital evidence has yet to link Allen to murders of Caroll County teens.

On the day of the murders Richard Allen said he left his mother's house in the Mexico, Indiana area at around 11 to 11:15pm. Then he went back home and got bundled up to go to the Monon High Bridge around 12 pm.

The problem is Richard Allen's confession to Dr. Wala. In it he gave another important detail(besides the van), that he stopped and got a six pack(of beer?). He told Dr. Wala he drank 3 before going to the trail and 3 later after he got back from the trail. It takes about 35-40 minutes to drive from Mexico, Indiana back to Delphi. That would put Richard Allen at home around noon or 15 - 20 minutes before noon.

How did Richard Allen have time to drink the 3 beers? He didn't if you are to believe the story that he was on the trails from 12 - 1:30pm. Drinking the 3 beers first makes it much more likely he was arriving to the trails at around 1:30pm, not leaving. Also, the article states that police were able to uniquely identify the 2016 Ford Focus on the Hoosier Harvest Store surveillance camera due to the racing spoke wheels. Until I read this information it did not make sense why the jury believed the state's timeline.

I still think Richard Allen deserves a new trial because this is not the way police and prosecution should be getting confessions. Also, this information only puts him on the trails between 1:30 - 3:30pm which everyone already suspected due to the confession regarding the van. I think the minor detail about drinking the 3 beers first made his credibility suspect regarding the timeline. In my opinion, the jury convicted him because of it.

You might be forgetting about drinking and driving. If he's not worried about murdering two teenagers and he certainty isn't worried about drinking and driving.

 

[k-mac]

You might be forgetting about drinking and driving. If he's not worried about murdering two teenagers and he certainty isn't worried about drinking and driving.

<modsnip - off topic> Yes the drinking beer....

how longs a piece of string???

not possible to tie that one down.
The only relevance is.... he admits drinking beer that day... his own words ..fit the time line and a beer buzz makes guys horny and macho. (generalising don't come for me!)
Doesn't mean all guys turn into killers but if thats your fetish.....its definitely gunna help.

Common link with killers. SUBSTANCE ABUSE.

moo

 

[FromGermany1]

I have to agree with @sunspun here.

Of course I do not know Richard Allen and so I don’t know his particular habits.

But it certainly seems to me that a man capable of kidnapping and murdering two young girls would not be a stickler regarding the laws concerning drinking and driving.

For all we know, he may have gulped them all down in a few minutes to give him the “courage” to do what he set out to do that day.


IMO this three beers before and three beers after issue only adds to his guilt, not subtracts.

Drinking and driving wasn't a problem re possible police control in and around Delphi also, it seemed at the time. So a man, who started tipsy on a certain mission to SA teenage girls (at the end even to murder them) in broad daylight, hadn't to fear anything on the streets. Just like RL, who also got around in his vehicles despite driving license withdrawal, buying fishes or disposing of garbage and similar. A paradise for drinking drivers (and not only drinking, I very strong assume). MOO

 

[Tortoise]

I think he set out with intention to rape and kill. A gun would have been enough to gain control. A box cutter is not an innocuous accessory, IMO.

 

[mrjitty]

I think he set out with intention to rape and kill. A gun would have been enough to gain control. A box cutter is not an innocuous accessory, IMO.

The box cutter collection and bridge fascination is very interesting to me. Not that those things prove guilt, but rather that given guilt is proven, they are a fascinating pointer IMO.

I wonder if rape was not his primary thing

 

[Boxer]

Drinking and driving wasn't a problem re possible police control in and around Delphi also, it seemed at the time. So a man, who started tipsy on a certain mission to SA teenage girls (at the end even to murder them) in broad daylight, hadn't to fear anything on the streets. Just like RL, who also got around in his vehicles despite driving license withdrawal, buying fishes or disposing of garbage and similar. A paradise for drinking drivers (and not only drinking, I very strong assume). MOO

One place Indiana has demonstrated outstanding police work is Lafayette.


While following Abby and Libby other crimes in the area have come up as possibly related and have really shown what outstanding policework is.

Talmadge Russel, a Delphi man who killed Ryan Martin in 2019. Came on my radar because he lived just mile or so south of the Indiana Packers, recently went to Delphi Community HS, had photos of the area below the MHB on his IG ad being his special place.

Lafayette man killed, found in suspect's apartment

Police suspect 19-year-old Talmadge Russell Jasper killed a 29-year-old Lafayette man they found inside Jasper's Pheasant Run apartment on Thursday.

www.jconline.com

The LPD's only lead into Martin's murder was a morning call from Martin's girlfriend that Russel had broken a restraining order.
By responding immediately and seriously they uncovered the brutal murder of Martin before Russel had time to cover up his crime.

Lafayette man killed, found in suspect's apartment

Police suspect 19-year-old Talmadge Russell Jasper killed a 29-year-old Lafayette man they found inside Jasper's Pheasant Run apartment on Thursday.

www.jconline.com

Second case:
James Chadwell a violent felon
From Peru living in Lafayette with a fascination with bridges.

Outstanding example of LPD police work, where a little girl wad reported as missing in the afternoon in Lafayette.
LPD canvassed houses in the neighborhood with hogh energy and then turned around and canvassed again.
They saved the little girl's life who was in the process of being savaged and killed by a neighbor in his basement while they looked for her.
On the first canvass they interrupted Chadwell who came upstairs to speak with them while he had her kidnapped downstairs.
LPD going back was the key.

Lafayette man sentenced to 90 years in attempted murder, kidnapping of 9-year-old girl

James Chadwell II was charged after police rescued a missing 9-year-old girl from his home.

www.wthr.com

 

[Tortoise]

The box cutter collection and bridge fascination is very interesting to me. Not that those things prove guilt, but rather that given guilt is proven, they are a fascinating pointer IMO.

I wonder if rape was not his primary thing

I do think he had a plan for not leaving behind his DNA and was confident when he came forward that they wouldn't be able to pin it on him forensically. Which means no DNA or fingerprints on the bullet or blood in his car. So he probably had a change of clothing and shoes ready to change into behind the old building, to dispose of with the box cutter at the CVS dumpster.

 

[Tapeartree]

I think he set out with intention to rape and kill. A gun would have been enough to gain control. A box cutter is not an innocuous accessory, IMO.

The more I read about this case (what I can find), I don't know if he was looking to rape. I wonder if he just wanted to torture and then kill. Why target two girls for a SA? Wouldn't it be difficult to control two individuals at the same time? I think his intentions were more twisted, and he would rather admit targeting as a SA. I think he did plan to kill them after he satisfied his twisted fantasy, but wanted to act out something similar to a horror flick he may have viewed. I read that he was googling movies that had hostage situations and those that were considered really dark flicks before his arrest. He seemed to enjoy those horrible slashing movies.

He is a sadistic monster. JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

The box cutter collection and bridge fascination is very interesting to me. Not that those things prove guilt, but rather that given guilt is proven, they are a fascinating pointer IMO.

I wonder if rape was not his primary thing

Agree, the bridge fascination is interesting, lots of books, photos, etc. from SW, Daughters HS photo. He lived so close and admittedly was there often. Did he use that area as an escape from home to indulge in some form of fetish?

The boxcutter is also unique, but makes sense in that it would have been easier to conceal and handle in addition to the gun.

I believe RA reenacted (or tried) a sick fantasy of his that day not necessarily including r a p e, although still very clearly SA. I wonder if he video'd or took pictures to relive the experience? I would bet he did, he had plenty of time alone with Abby & Libby. Those would have been destroyed ASAP after his Oct 13th 2022 interview with LE.

Dec 20th sentencing can't come fast enough. Already the Pro RA attention seekers are fading from the SM spotlight IMO. I'd like to see him become old news, suffering his punishment locked away like all convicted child murderers.

#JusticeCame4Abby&Libby

JMO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

In my opinion I think I might have figured out why the jury convicted Richard Allen. It has to do with the timeline Richard Allen gave of being at the Monon High Bridge trail from 12 - 1:30pm. The information I got is from the Carroll County Comet article dated October 25, 2024. The title is DNA and digital evidence has yet to link Allen to murders of Caroll County teens.

On the day of the murders Richard Allen said he left his mother's house in the Mexico, Indiana area at around 11 to 11:15pm. Then he went back home and got bundled up to go to the Monon High Bridge around 12 pm.

The problem is Richard Allen's confession to Dr. Wala. In it he gave another important detail(besides the van), that he stopped and got a six pack(of beer?). He told Dr. Wala he drank 3 before going to the trail and 3 later after he got back from the trail. It takes about 35-40 minutes to drive from Mexico, Indiana back to Delphi. That would put Richard Allen at home around noon or 15 - 20 minutes before noon.

How did Richard Allen have time to drink the 3 beers? He didn't if you are to believe the story that he was on the trails from 12 - 1:30pm. Drinking the 3 beers first makes it much more likely he was arriving to the trails at around 1:30pm, not leaving. Also, the article states that police were able to uniquely identify the 2016 Ford Focus on the Hoosier Harvest Store surveillance camera due to the racing spoke wheels. Until I read this information it did not make sense why the jury believed the state's timeline.

I still think Richard Allen deserves a new trial because this is not the way police and prosecution should be getting confessions. Also, this information only puts him on the trails between 1:30 - 3:30pm which everyone already suspected due to the confession regarding the van. I think the minor detail about drinking the 3 beers first made his credibility suspect regarding the timeline. In my opinion, the jury convicted him because of it.

Just my opinion, but I don’t the the jurors gave more than a nanosecond of thought to RA admitting to drinking three beers. He’s an alcoholic. He’s certainly not above drinking and driving. Neither the prosecution or defense presented any evidence about the beer drinking. It was just part of his confession.
I will add that the prosecution had no problem proving the 1:30-3:30pm timeline. Eyewitnesses, their digital info, security video of his car, RA’s own eyewitness statements.
Switching to the confessions, what is wrong with how they were obtained? They came freely out of his mouth, usually to people he trusted. Specifically, his wife, his mother, his prison psychologists; none of them requested he tell them what happened, in fact, they told him not to tell them. He was not beaten or threatened.

 

[Willow Knight]

Is there a secret, why RA stayed with his original lawyers and wanted them back? Or did KA have the saying, which lawyer to choose and why not to change despite an offer? Little dependent RA seems to care for KA's opinion a lot.

Which infuriates me. He deeded their paid off home to his spouse to become indigent, so tax payers financed his defense. I don't understand or accept this, especially if HIS mama paid for the home.