GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #216

[mrjitty]

I just had a quick listen to the murder sheet podcast of opening statements and they say that defense case is that the girl witnesses were mistaken and he was gone by 1.30, and his car was gone from the CPS lot by 2.15pm and Betsy Blair describes a car in the lot that does not fit the description of RA's car.

I believe Baldwin made a specific claim about how the digital data did not lie, holding a phone up?

 

[Boxer]

I just had a quick listen to the murder sheet podcast of opening statements and they say that defense case is that the girl witnesses were mistaken and he was gone by 1.30, and his car was gone from the CPS lot by 2.15pm and Betsy Blair describes a car in the lot that does not fit the description of RA's car.

The same girls, and I believe others were on the trail at the time RA claimed to have been there in later interview 12:00-1:30, but this alibi time slot did not work because he was not on the trail 12:00-1:30.

 

[pseudo_hum]

The same girls, and I believe others were on the trail at the time RA claimed to have been there in later interview 12:00-1:30, but this alibi time slot did not work because he was not on the trail 12:00-1:30.

Yes, everyone lied except their client. The defence did a terrible job.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

 

[girlhasnoname]

In my opinion I think I might have figured out why the jury convicted Richard Allen. It has to do with the timeline Richard Allen gave of being at the Monon High Bridge trail from 12 - 1:30pm. The information I got is from the Carroll County Comet article dated October 25, 2024. The title is DNA and digital evidence has yet to link Allen to murders of Caroll County teens.

On the day of the murders Richard Allen said he left his mother's house in the Mexico, Indiana area at around 11 to 11:15pm. Then he went back home and got bundled up to go to the Monon High Bridge around 12 pm.

The problem is Richard Allen's confession to Dr. Wala. In it he gave another important detail(besides the van), that he stopped and got a six pack(of beer?). He told Dr. Wala he drank 3 before going to the trail and 3 later after he got back from the trail. It takes about 35-40 minutes to drive from Mexico, Indiana back to Delphi. That would put Richard Allen at home around noon or 15 - 20 minutes before noon.

How did Richard Allen have time to drink the 3 beers? He didn't if you are to believe the story that he was on the trails from 12 - 1:30pm. Drinking the 3 beers first makes it much more likely he was arriving to the trails at around 1:30pm, not leaving. Also, the article states that police were able to uniquely identify the 2016 Ford Focus on the Hoosier Harvest Store surveillance camera due to the racing spoke wheels. Until I read this information it did not make sense why the jury believed the state's timeline.

I still think Richard Allen deserves a new trial because this is not the way police and prosecution should be getting confessions. Also, this information only puts him on the trails between 1:30 - 3:30pm which everyone already suspected due to the confession regarding the van. I think the minor detail about drinking the 3 beers first made his credibility suspect regarding the timeline. In my opinion, the jury convicted him because of it.

RA is now a convicted child murderer and I don't believe we'll see a successful appeal by Dec 20 or even after that.

JMO

 

[Yemelyan]

I suppose none of this means anything since he has been convicted of the crime. The appeals process will be ongoing, maybe for years. Or maybe on December 20th Richard Allen will offer up apologies and the case will end there.

In the search warrant, one of the things the police found were numerous photos of Richard Allen out in the Monon High Bridge trail area going all the way back to 2008. Overall, that is the part that is so remarkable. Criminals do make mistakes. He made so many mistakes, and his own words were his biggest mistake. For someone with that much documented experience going out to the Monon High Bridge trail area and being seen out in the area, it was surprising he did not have a better plan.

BBM....

If an apology makes any difference, he already offered his apologies in his letter to the warden.

I firmly believe he did have a plan. But IMO it was based on fantasy and what he thought the act would be like, not how it actually was.

 

[Boxer]

RA is now a convicted child murderer and I don't believe we'll see a successful appeal by Dec 20 or even after that.

JMO

Agree. Sheriff could have skipped a few PCs and literally looked through their files. I bet they regarded a task like that as women's or low rankers work.
Or that "Computers" do that now.

Consequently, as the original DA Iverson said, in the old days the case would have been solved in a few weeks

 

[Vern]

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I still think Richard Allen deserves a new trial because this is not the way police and prosecution should be getting confessions. Also, this information only puts him on the trails between 1:30 - 3:30pm which everyone already suspected due to the confession regarding the van. I think the minor detail about drinking the 3 beers first made his credibility suspect regarding the timeline. In my opinion, the jury convicted him because of it.

RSBM

IMO Richard Allen is not going to get a new trial based on his confessions or how how one may disagree with them being 'obtained'. Fact is that the confessions do not matter IMO.

Richard Allen, himself, placing himself on the trail in the clothing matching the description of the killer and as caught on video. He himself dropped his round at the scene. He himself met the group of youthful girls who testified to seeing him as well. Likewise Besty and the sighting of him on platform one at the time he originally placed himself there. His car was caught on camera at the time he originally place himself as arriving. He himself changed his timing on the trails after it became public knowledge that the pictured bridge guy was also the killer. Guilty knowledge. He himself stated that the photo "wasn't him if it came from one of the girls' cameras". Guilty knowledge. He himself - possibly his wife - got rid of the 2017 phone despite the fact he had kept all others and had not disposed of or 'recycled' them. Guilty knowledge. He lied to his wife about being on the bridge. Guilty knowledge. He has no alibi.

Ergo Richard Allen was arrested and charged with the murders of Abigail Williams and Libby German. Richard Allen was then set for trial for the brutal murders of these two girls.

The confessions happened after all of the above. His confessions that came while in pre-trial custody after having been remanded for trial play no bearing on his arrest for their murders, nor the probable cause in the first place. The chicken actually did come before the golden eggs. They are moot to the outcome. Richard Allen could have kept his mouth shut the entire time that he was being held pre-trial and guess what? He still would have went to trial for Abby & Libby's murders. His confessions have zero to do with what Richard Allen factually did or his state of mind on 13 February 2017 and will play no part in overturning a verdict of "Guilty" for what he did that horrible day.

The Defense (and the jury) could not take Richard Allen off that bridge precisely because Richard Allen was on that bridge. The jury saw through the chaff and convicted him - exactly as he should have been.

Richard Allen is Bridge Guy; Richard Allen was found guilty. Richard Allen is a double child murderer. He isn't going anywhere IMO as he is exactly where he needs to be - forever.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

RSBM

IMO Richard Allen is not going to get a new trial based on his confessions or how how one may disagree with them being 'obtained'. Fact is that the confessions do not matter IMO.

Richard Allen, himself, placing himself on the trail in the clothing matching the description of the killer and as caught on video. He himself dropped his round at the scene. He himself met the group of youthful girls who testified to seeing him as well. Likewise Besty and the sighting of him on platform one at the time he originally placed himself there. His car was caught on camera at the time he originally place himself as arriving. He himself changed his timing on the trails after it became public knowledge that the pictured bridge guy was also the killer. Guilty knowledge. He himself stated that the photo "wasn't him if it came from one of the girls' cameras". Guilty knowledge. He himself - possibly his wife - got rid of the 2017 phone despite the fact he had kept all others and had not disposed of or 'recycled' them. Guilty knowledge. He lied to his wife about being on the bridge. Guilty knowledge. He has no alibi.

Ergo Richard Allen was arrested and charged with the murders of Abigail Williams and Libby German. Richard Allen was then set for trial for the brutal murders of these two girls.

The confessions happened after all of the above. His confessions that came while in pre-trial custody after having been remanded for trial play no bearing on his arrest for their murders, nor the probable cause in the first place. The chicken actually did come before the golden eggs. They are moot to the outcome. Richard Allen could have kept his mouth shut the entire time that he was being held pre-trial and guess what? He still would have went to trial for Abby & Libby's murders. His confessions have zero to do with what Richard Allen factually did or his state of mind on 13 February 2017 and will play no part in overturning a verdict of "Guilty" for what he did that horrible day.

The Defense (and the jury) could not take Richard Allen off that bridge precisely because Richard Allen was on that bridge. The jury saw through the chaff and convicted him - exactly as he should have been.

Richard Allen is Bridge Guy; Richard Allen was found guilty. Richard Allen is a double child murderer. He isn't going anywhere IMO as he is exactly where he needs to be - forever.

Great post!
Yes, all during the pretrial and the trial itself, no one could take RA off that bridge and that was the key to everything.
He stayed on that bridge until they cuffed him and dragged him off to prison.

 

[Boxer]

It was only surprising to me about his walk back to his car because it was February with no leaves on the trees and the wooded area between the Monon High Bridge Trail path and 300 N seems narrow. I am surprised no one saw him, even if he was just walking in the woods. At the time though nobody probably thought anything serious had happened to the girls so maybe they just did not remember seeing someone walking in the woods?

I suppose none of this means anything since he has been convicted of the crime. The appeals process will be ongoing, maybe for years. Or maybe on December 20th Richard Allen will offer up apologies and the case will end there.

In the search warrant, one of the things the police found were numerous photos of Richard Allen out in the Monon High Bridge trail area going all the way back to 2008. Overall, that is the part that is so remarkable. Criminals do make mistakes. He made so many mistakes, and his own words were his biggest mistake. For someone with that much documented experience going out to the Monon High Bridge trail area and being seen out in the area, it was surprising he did not have a better plan.

Planned unplanned.
Kind of ready more and more each time he went on trail, then an opportunity appears that drives the final move -
Not perfect he just just tried to pick up pieces - and was rewarded with police incompetence.

His more recent searching for slasher movies MOO mean Ms. Kathy Shank saved some lives. After getting away with it for 5 years, MOO he was going to try his luck again.

 

[somequestions]

RSBM

Trying here to understand how the police and prosecution should not be getting these confessions? What exactly did LE do or not do?

The killer was not being interrogated, was not being abused or tortured, was not being threatened. He was not even being interviewed when he confessed. That I have seen any evidence of.

He was being held in solitary confinement for 13 months under the guise of safekeeping. In my opinion, this is why he wrote to the warden that he was ready to confess.

Words do matter.

Edit: In case this needs explanation, the point is that if the state is going to say that words matter, then the defendant should be able to say what he wants to say through his attorneys to defend himself. I do not think his trial was fair for that reason. That is my opinion.

 

[TallCoolOne]

OMG....... Where in the heck is the eye roll emoji????

 

[sunspun]

Great post!
Yes, all during the pretrial and the trial itself, no one could take RA off that bridge and that was the key to everything.
He stayed on that bridge until they cuffed him and dragged him off to prison.

He's still on that bridge in a way. He can't leave it. Stuck there forever.

 

[FromGermany1]

RSBM

IMO Richard Allen is not going to get a new trial based on his confessions or how how one may disagree with them being 'obtained'. Fact is that the confessions do not matter IMO.

Richard Allen, himself, placing himself on the trail in the clothing matching the description of the killer and as caught on video. He himself dropped his round at the scene. He himself met the group of youthful girls who testified to seeing him as well. Likewise Besty and the sighting of him on platform one at the time he originally placed himself there. His car was caught on camera at the time he originally place himself as arriving. He himself changed his timing on the trails after it became public knowledge that the pictured bridge guy was also the killer. Guilty knowledge. He himself stated that the photo "wasn't him if it came from one of the girls' cameras". Guilty knowledge. He himself - possibly his wife - got rid of the 2017 phone despite the fact he had kept all others and had not disposed of or 'recycled' them. Guilty knowledge. He lied to his wife about being on the bridge. Guilty knowledge. He has no alibi.

Ergo Richard Allen was arrested and charged with the murders of Abigail Williams and Libby German. Richard Allen was then set for trial for the brutal murders of these two girls.

The confessions happened after all of the above. His confessions that came while in pre-trial custody after having been remanded for trial play no bearing on his arrest for their murders, nor the probable cause in the first place. The chicken actually did come before the golden eggs. They are moot to the outcome. Richard Allen could have kept his mouth shut the entire time that he was being held pre-trial and guess what? He still would have went to trial for Abby & Libby's murders. His confessions have zero to do with what Richard Allen factually did or his state of mind on 13 February 2017 and will play no part in overturning a verdict of "Guilty" for what he did that horrible day.

The Defense (and the jury) could not take Richard Allen off that bridge precisely because Richard Allen was on that bridge. The jury saw through the chaff and convicted him - exactly as he should have been.

Richard Allen is Bridge Guy; Richard Allen was found guilty. Richard Allen is a double child murderer. He isn't going anywhere IMO as he is exactly where he needs to be - forever.

At some point, LE said, they would have more than enough evidence and now only would need the last puzzle piece: the name of the person. When RA appeared on the surface, they probably finally had their man, without any confession. His confession/s sealed it, as a bonus. So it seems to have developed. MOO

 

[sunshineray]

I am hoping in the current new age times we live,
all the know all you tube 'lawyers' ( ahem cough!) malingering propoganda spewing in glowing support of the defence and what a stellar job they were doing holds up as evidence for appeals.
Their very informed opinions.

That would be kinda cool karma hey.

moo

Do you think AB & BR will have any role in RA's appeals?

 

[sunshineray]

BBM....

If an apology makes any difference, he already offered his apologies in his letter to the warden.

I firmly believe he did have a plan. But IMO it was based on fantasy and what he thought the act would be like, not how it actually was.

I also think he envisioned no interruptions, no crossing the creek and no fight in his victim(s).

 

[sunshineray]

He was being held in solitary confinement for 13 months under the guise of safekeeping. In my opinion, this is why he wrote to the warden that he was ready to confess.

Words do matter.

Edit: In case this needs explanation, the point is that if the state is going to say that words matter, then the defendant should be able to say what he wants to say through his attorneys to defend himself. I do not think his trial was fair for that reason. That is my opinion.

RA himself said in one statement that his attorneys were playing good cop, bad cop with him. What do you think he meant by that statement?

He also asked his wife if he could trust his attorneys.

All the while he's confessing to pretty much everyone he meets up with.

Makes one wonder, IMO, if RA confessed to his attorneys? Once, twice or a multitude of times?

Transcripts are being prepared and will also be melted into the appeals pot o' beans. Yes indeed, words matter and lies...and the absence of words too. AJMO

 

[Boxer]

He was being held in solitary confinement for 13 months under the guise of safekeeping. In my opinion, this is why he wrote to the warden that he was ready to confess.

Words do matter.

Edit: In case this needs explanation, the point is that if the state is going to say that words matter, then the defendant should be able to say what he wants to say through his attorneys to defend himself. I do not think his trial was fair for that reason. That is my opinion.

MOO
Evidence is needed before accusing people in court during a trial.
Prosecution is held to same standard, there has to be evidence to support the accusation.

 

[Megnut]

Do you think AB & BR will have any role in RA's appeals?

 Frankly, no.

Good riddance.

Exit, stage left.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Do you think AB & BR will have any role in RA's appeals?

I don't know, RA will be appointed new appellate attorneys. Not to say the conniving Defense Duo won't be in the background spinning somehow. I think they might be relieved to be done with the case after sentencing, even though they would never admit it publicly.

I know if they'd won with a Not Guilty verdict the media circuit route would have been a given, but who knows now? If I were them I'd slither back into relative obscurity doing the typically generic stuff that was their bread and butter before RA.

JMO