GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #216

[mrjitty]

I think my favourite misdirection from the defence was the idea no digital evidence linked him to the crime while forgetting to mention he destroyed his phone.

IMO of course.

 

[Willow Knight]

Do you think AB & BR will have any role in RA's appeals?

You are my sunshine, you make me smile!

Wild horses could not keep them away. IMO

 

[Tapeartree]

I also think he envisioned no interruptions, no crossing the creek and no fight in his victim(s).

or that he was being recorded before he even pulled out his gun. Libby was very smart and brave 14 year old girl.

 

[Warwick7]

He was being held in solitary confinement for 13 months under the guise of safekeeping. In my opinion, this is why he wrote to the warden that he was ready to confess.

Words do matter.

Edit: In case this needs explanation, the point is that if the state is going to say that words matter, then the defendant should be able to say what he wants to say through his attorneys to defend himself. I do not think his trial was fair for that reason. That is my opinion.

The Jury decided it was a legit trial and pronounced him guilty.

 

[INfisherman]

He was being held in solitary confinement for 13 months under the guise of safekeeping. In my opinion, this is why he wrote to the warden that he was ready to confess.

Words do matter.

Edit: In case this needs explanation, the point is that if the state is going to say that words matter, then the defendant should be able to say what he wants to say through his attorneys to defend himself. I do not think his trial was fair for that reason. That is my opinion.

Then by all means, let All 4 Counts spit out all the poop he ate & get on the stand & speak! A4C had his chance to speak & chose to sit & take notes & shake his head like the coward he is. His attorneys chose to defend him with wild stories which had no evidence in the end. They had every chance to have him evaluated for mental competency but chose not to, instead playing henpecked videos to the jury after the fact. His attorneys claimed his cell phone evidence would exonerate him during opening arguments but never brought any of that up during testimony. They chose to present a confusing case during their at bat. He had the chance to change attorneys & chose the sideshow instead - words AND choices matter.

GUILTY - A4C

MOO

 

[gremlin444]

Does anyone remember during jury selection the defense asking potential jurors something along the lines of "how would you feel about a person if we told you they had destroyed potential evidence?"

Am I hallucinating this? Unfortunately all the articles I'm coming up with on jury selection focus on the "unidentified hair" issue and not much else. I'm going to keep looking though.

 

[k-mac]

Do you think AB & BR will have any role in RA's appeals?

We can hope

RA will be needing a mommy cuddle for sure.

 

[Barry]

There is a special place in hell for this guy. I am glad there has been a conclusion (hopefully, and finally).

 

[MrsWatson]

Does anyone remember during jury selection the defense asking potential jurors something along the lines of "how would you feel about a person if we told you they had destroyed potential evidence?"

Am I hallucinating this? Unfortunately all the articles I'm coming up with on jury selection focus on the "unidentified hair" issue and not much else. I'm going to keep looking though.

I remember that. Was it during jury selection or during their opening statement? I distinctly remember the "destroying evidence" bit.

 

[Tortoise]

I remember that. Was it during jury selection or during their opening statement? I distinctly remember the "destroying evidence" bit.

Was it when Richard Allen ate his discovery?

 

[Boxer]

He was being held in solitary confinement for 13 months under the guise of safekeeping. In my opinion, this is why he wrote to the warden that he was ready to confess.

Words do matter.

Edit: In case this needs explanation, the point is that if the state is going to say that words matter, then the defendant should be able to say what he wants to say through his attorneys to defend himself. I do not think his trial was fair for that reason. That is my opinion.

Why do you think segregation is a "guise."'
The jail he was held held
in was reportedly 24/7 death threats being yelled at him from other inmates.
And it makes total sense, the impulse to gain the glory of being the one to do him in is undeniable.

 

[Boxer]

I also think he envisioned no interruptions, no crossing the creek and no fight in his victim(s).

Agree.
He may have wanted to do some humiliating things and then disappear, unrecognized.
But kidnapping for any reason often ends in murder.

 

[Arkay]

They chose to present a confusing case during their at bat. He had the chance to change attorneys & chose the sideshow instead - words AND choices matter.

This is why I hope he cannot succeed with an appeal based on ineffective counsel.

Judge G clearly believed they were ineffective, but he as the client wanted them recalled as his defense.

Therefore IMO this is one avenue he cannot pursue. (Hopefully).

 

[INfisherman]

I think my favourite misdirection from the defence was the idea no digital evidence linked him to the crime while forgetting to mention he destroyed his phone.

IMO of course.

By misdirection, do you mean lies?

 

[Megnut]

The Delphi Murders: The Odinism Theory

This episode was originally published on The Murder Sheet 's main feed on November 25, 2024. We take another look at the Odinism theory put forth by the...

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[gremlin444]

Was it when Richard Allen ate his discovery?

But to my mind, that's not "evidence." I wonder if they were referring to his phone, but ended up deciding not to bring that up at trial as things went along.

 

[Arkay]

My opinion changed over the last year. My opinion since the PCA was unsealed is that RA is innocent of this crime but that it was convenient to pin it on him. Out of all the men claiming to be there that day, and all the school kids that were there that day, none of them said they ever saw Abby & Libby. One witness said she saw who she thought “resembled” Abby & Libby but did not know

SBM

I appreciate that we are all allowed to have our opinions.

IMO I disagree with the veracity of some of what you’ve stated, but I’m just going to reference your final paragraph, because I’m not sure I understand your meaning.

What source is there for “out of all the men claiming to be there that day?”
There were NO other men on the bridge that day in that time frame. Even RA did not claim to see any other men.

I especially do not understand what you’re saying that “none of the school kids ever saw Abby and Libby.”

SURELY you are not saying that ABBY AND LIBBY WERE NOT ON THE BRIDGE THAT DAY? The day Libby photographed them on the bridge? The day Libby recorded the man on the BRIDGE TELLING THEM TO GO DOWN THE HILL? FROM THE BRIDGE THEY WERE CERTAINLY ON and from where they were kidnapped and killed?

Maybe I misconstrued your meaning, so please if you can cast some light on what you mean.
TY

 

[KentuckyMama]

The time of death is something that did come up in court if I'm remembering correctly. He said he did the autopsy at a specific time and that the deaths occurred like 41 hours earlier or something like that. I've seen enough of the Social Media Theatrics to recognize the same lines that they have pedaled for several months now. This is just one of the many. I really thought everyone could see through it now and find the facts. I'll go hunt an article.
Here's one. Still hunting for more.

Delphi Murder Trial Day 5: Autopsy analysis, more phone data recovered

Three witnesses for the State took the stand on day five. An eye-witness, a forensic pathologist, and another investigator that worked on Libby's phone.

www.starcitytv.com

Autopsy findings in Delphi murders trial shocks jury

The jury was shocked into silence, with one man turning red and putting his hands in his face, on Wednesday after the cause of death from the autopsy was revealed for the first time in public.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[INfisherman]

I have read through these posts and I read every document in the case and heard the trial. My personal take away from it all is that there will be an appeal. There has to be based on case German V State that was overturned on appeal due to the prosecution making inferences based upon inferences.
In the RA case, they never established a time of death even though they could have and probably did as Robert Ives former prosecutor stated in a prior interview that the girls were found so soon after the murders occurred. And one witness stated that the blood was still congealing at the scene when they were found.
If you cannot establish a time of death then how can you say a person was present at the time of the act? Common sense?
Things that bother me personally:
1) no DNA from RA at scene, per prosecution Expert at trial.
2) no phone data at scene per ISP prosecution expert testimony in trial, & it is NOT true that he destroyed his phone. No expert made this testimony in trial that RA “destroyed” his phone.
3) the only DNA tested before trial belonged to a male ISP trooper, not a male lab tech. ISP Expert testimony answered in trial.
4) no matching RA’s gun to bullet or cartridge, per ISP expert at trial who stated the marks on the unfired bullet, did not match their evidence unfired bullet, so they fired a bullet to see if they could match unfired bullet to the fired cartridge. This is actually laughable except it was presented in trial so at least now that is in the court record when it is appealed. Along with several other weapons seized that they compared the unfired bullet to that they also could not exclude. One weapon not excluded belonged to a prosecution witness.
5) there was an aux cord plugged in and during a break in the trial the states phone “expert” stated he had to “google” if the phone would register if dirt or water got into the jack. He had to google this because not only did he not know this he also never saw any evidence of dirt or water damage to the phone so he never had a reason to look it up.
6) on 5 different occasions RA confessed to the crime. During this time frame it was proved in court that RA was in a state of psychosis and was heavily medicated. That is the only widow of time he “confessed.” Confession to his wife: “maybe I did?” He also admitted to shooting the girls and burying them, killing his whole family, cheating on a cigarette, cheating on his wife, molesting family & friends etc…
7) the prison psychologist said that she believed RA was Feining his psychosis. So she thought medicating him with high doses a person faking? That doesn’t make sense. Especially after she states: “…he is stabilizing now.” Stabilizing from what if he was faking?
8) this correctional facility has other current litigation about staff putting poo on prisoners food, shutting their water off for no reason other than they have no water forcing prisoners to drink from the toilet. Look up the cases.
9) He did not break his tablet, it was taken away and that was after the staff continued to ring it over & over, (from letter submitted by inmate).
10) during this time he was in solitary and was only able to see his wife 2 times.
11) Solitary is a place you put the worst of the worst, in prison. For punishment on top of punishment. Prisoners are persons convicted of a crime. Pretrial detainees are not and are considered innocent.
12) also the psychologist stated she was a member of pro-prosecution Reddit groups talking about her patient. She stated the groups she really liked. It was stated in these Reddit groups that a white van was seen at around the time of the crime nearby the scene of the crime. This was the testimony FBI agent Adam Pohl would have provided if JG had allowed him to testify. Agent AP interviewed BW where BW stated he was coming home that day @3:30pm. BW’s testimony changed on the stand. This should have impeached this witnesses testimony but JG allowed it, without allowing the FBI agents interview evidence that BW had changed his testimony.
13) why did everyone make a big deal about the weather being unseasonably warm that day when it was not? Sat & Sun were warm but Monday was cold. That’s why everyone was seen wearing layers of clothing that day & coats. Look up the weather data for that day.
14) no Amber Alert issued by LE yet one of the witnesses stated she went to police after she saw an Amber alert.
- side note IMO: RA was taken to the prison purely for the chance they could take him off of his regular meds, torture him with everything that gave him anxiety while off of those meds, then heavily drug him to have all in an attempt to have him confess to his psychologist (who is not barred from providing everything he says as long as he is confessing to a murder). Things know to staff that have RA anxiety: being alone, not being with family, etc..
These torture tactics have been trued before in Indiana as well as other states. In Illinois’s one of my American Bar Association journals in (2018 I believe) stated that Chicago police had the practice of giving suspects Ketamine to get them to confess to crimes. This practice was also in use in my own state and I actually do have the body cam footage of this happening in one shocking case.
Things that should have been known at the time of trial:
1) The id of the ISP trooper whose DNA was found at the crime scene. Because the news reported some former ISP troopers are now in jail and at least two very recently due to CSAM charges.
2) the id of the DNA found under the nails and on the genitals of both girls.
3) the ID of the DNA found on a cervical swab.
4) the id of the other strands of hairs not tested out of the 70 strands they had.
5) The ID of the three phones pinging in the area of the crime at the time the prosecution said the crime occurred.
6) test the DNA of a man who stated to a trooper, “if my spit is found on the girls but I can explain it, am I still in trouble?” Especially when he tried to get rid of his blue jacket and told his two sisters what happened that day. Those sisters were polygraphed and both passed.
7) ask the judge why she chose to bar the phone evidence from coming into the court.
8) ask the judge why the name of the man who confessed to the crime to his sisters why anything relating to this man was not allowed into the court record.
9) why did no witness on the stand id RA as the person they saw that day on the bridge? Is it bc they said he was 5’10” and RA is 5’4” ? Or was it bc they identified an a young looking man. One stated she saw an old man with a camera hanging around his neck. ID’d later as DM who said he was there between 2 and 3pm.
So I understand many of you believe this man is guilty and I did too until I read the PCA that did not make any sense then I read the submitted court docs, I started to believe they definitely had the wrong person in fact, I believe there was more than one person involved.
Now ask yourselves, why would you not test all of the DNA now? It is well known that currently that mixed DNA can be extracted to id the single sources. Also now as ISP knows, id can me made from different parts of hairs and root need not be present. So why was all the DNA left at the scene never tested? Why fight to keep the phone info out of the trial? None of it makes sense including the prosecutions theory. Especially when the CPS building had video surveillance along with the building across the road. Why was that not submitted?
Again, IMO when crimes like this happened in the past, LE actually interfered with murder investigations because their drug informant and their drug cases were too valuable to them. See the Joy Higgs case. I think this case is similar.
RIP FBI agent Ferency.
My opinion changed over the last year. My opinion since the PCA was unsealed is that RA is innocent of this crime but that it was convenient to pin it on him. Out of all the men claiming to be there that day, and all the school kids that were there that day, none of them said they ever saw Abby & Libby. One witness said she saw who she thought “resembled” Abby & Libby but did not know for sure.

Photo here

Photo from Indy Star. Everyone was layered up & wearing coats? Let’s see - zip up lightweight sweat jacket unzipped, hair up, no hat. Doesn’t appear too cold for AW. What layers of clothing? The ones RA was wearing?

If you’d have read all 200+ threads about the case here, you’d know 99% of what you mention has been beaten to death already. Just more social media garbage from the R-site you mention, exactly where it should remain.

You heard the trial? Please do tell…..or better yet, a link so we can ALL hear it too.

ETA Guilty on ALL FOUR COUNTS (FACT)

MOO

 

[TallCoolOne]

Ah yes, that wonderful time after a guilty verdict when a select few will come out of the woodwork and attempt to convince others how the prosecution and the jury got it all wrong. It happens after every guilty verdict. They want you to rehash every finer point until your fingers bleed....... And for what? I personally think they are attention seekers. Better to spend your efforts in remembering the two innocents whose lives were unnecessarily cut short than to try to reason with the unreasonable.

Oh, and Richard Allen is the bridge guy and was found guilty and hopefully will spend the remainder of his miserable life in obscurity. The End.