GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #216

[Arkay]

I'm still sitting here waiting for that apparenty huge list of "exonerating evidence" that wasn't allowed to be heard by the Jurors.

I was still waiting for the 120 defense witnesses we were allegedly going to see at trial.

How many actually came? A forensic bullets guy, a forensic phone expert, a shrink or two—-was there anyone else?

 

[lonetraveler]

One thing that has stood out to me

The only defenders of RA are his unethical attorneys, his wife and mother, father. (well, along with the DooDue gang administered by the D team and their minion Youtubers)

But on a PERSONAL Level --
I have not seen one friend, co-worker, neighbor protest in his defense.

Have you seen anywhere that anyone came forward to identify the Bridge Guy? Besides LE and Prosecutors. Anyone? Like neighbors, family, co-workers? Anyone?

 

[oviedo]

I was still waiting for the 120 defense witnesses we were allegedly going to see at trial.

How many actually came? A forensic bullets guy, a forensic phone expert, a shrink or two—-was there anyone else?

The murder sheet plans an evidence review - I’m looking forward to it
JMO

 

[Spartygirl]

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Kelsi has truly been a great advocate for Libby and Abby !!

She was/is such a young lady during all this and yet, she has shown the utmost respect, facts and Love throughout these past 7.5 years.

God Bless her !!!

 

[k-mac]

Have you seen anywhere that anyone came forward to identify the Bridge Guy? Besides LE and Prosecutors. Anyone? Like neighbors, family, co-workers? Anyone?

only richard allen.
Identifying himself

2 days after the crime.

 

[flashy09]

Have you seen anywhere that anyone came forward to identify the Bridge Guy? Besides LE and Prosecutors. Anyone? Like neighbors, family, co-workers? Anyone?

It's Richard Allen.

 

[lonetraveler]

only richard allen.
Identifying himself

2 days after the crime.

Actually, he just stated he was there that day looking at the fish.

 

[lonetraveler]

only richard allen.
Identifying himself

2 days after the crime.

l would have confessed myself if I was being held in the same conditions he was being held.

 

[k-mac]

Actually, he just stated he was there that day looking at the fish.

thats right.
At the correct time.
Wearing the bridge guy clothes.

8 Witnesses ID him as bridge guy.(including himself)

Importantly he corroborated and Identifies the girls who ID -ed him as bridge guy.

 

[Spartygirl]

Actually, he just stated he was there that day looking at the fish.

Dressed exactly like BG
At the Same time girls were there
Seen by multiple witnesses-- the same girls he said he saw there
Car seen on CTV going towards trails
60+ confessions

 

[CrocWearer]

100% agree. Really disappointed in the youtube content creators (yes, even the so-called "good" ones) and their fans who hang on every word. I never followed true crime on youtube until recently....and I'm done.

jmo

Andrea has been watchable on previous cases but I do find her a little (a lot!) ... smug & egotistical.

Lawyer Lee I think is a nice lady, heart's in the right place but is sometimes a bit, 'brain foggy'. She has been very much influenced by other LawTubers & has been swept along I feel.

I'm cutting her some slack as she is VERY recently widowed and still very much deep in grief.

Someone I really like is Peter Tragos Lawyer you know. He didn't attend, did host AB & LL & Bob somebody. Interestingly ... he wanted to host someone who believed Allan was guilty, he recordered it but, the person asked him to shelve it because they were uncomfortable with something & didn't want it to be aired.

Peter is always keen to be impartial. He follows the trials he can & does so as a juror would with as little pre-informed info as possible & tries to see both sides & stocks to facts of law.

He's always been respectful to Libby & Abby & their families too.

And for example, he said 'Yes RA living conditions were awful but they're awful for anyone not just for RA.

 

[k-mac]

l would have confessed myself if I was being held in the same conditions he was being held.

this was 2 days after the crime.
not 5 years later when he was arrested.

facts matter

 

[Boxer]

Actually, he just stated he was there that day looking at the fish.

On platform 1.

 

[k-mac]

Actually, he just stated he was there that day looking at the fish.

another point.

What do you think he is going to tell police??

He never came forward until he seen his picture in the paper. 2 DAYS AFTER.
Freaked out and called police to ID himself.

I was there looking at fish. At exactly that time.
what else could he say??
i was there to stalk and kill those girls you found murdered??? Of course he is going ot have a benign reasoning.

I don't think there is any amount of factual evidence to move willful ignorance in this case TBH.

MOO

 

[lonetraveler]

this was 2 days after the crime.
not 5 years later when he was arrested.

facts matter

Actually, he was held in solidary confinement in a prison for 15 months.

 

[Spartygirl]

Actually, he was held in solidary confinement in a prison for 15 months.

He was NOT in solidary confinement

He had multiple guards around him as he was on S watch

He had his own cell with a tablet, TV and other things that prisoners do not get.

he had access thru the tablet to make calls, watch whatever he wanted, and had others to talk to.

That is NOT solitary confinement which is total silence, nobody around you, no tablets, tv --
he is going to wish he had that back once he gets put into gen pop in prison.
JMO

 

[KSwizzle]

It’s a very devisive case and I know this website is very he’s guilty and there’s literally not a chance he isn’t, MOO, while there are other websites and apparently actual lawyers who are only hustling for the money, MOO based off comments here, but I still think there’s a lot of legal pieces that made this case questionable even if he is the killer, which I’ve never denied he could be, MOO

 

[minor4th]

Also, I personally think the lawtubers who were in the courtroom have done an excellent job of bringing us detailed information that we can’t get anywhere else. It has not been easy for these people to uproot their lives for 2-3 weeks, sit through trial all day every day, and make a lengthy live presentation each night.

If they’re making money from their efforts and growing their followings, well they deserve it, so good for them! Some of the lawyers focus on different things, some have a prosecution leaning, others are more defense oriented, but they’re all valuable IMO I see lots of criticism about AB and LL but no criticism of the prosecutors or MS. They are ALL valuable in this discussion. IMO IMO IMO

 

[sunspun]

Today, is about closure, for the families. The hugs and the tears.

I will keep visiting the threads. Waiting for the sentencing, hoping the families get the chance to read their victim impact statements if they wish to do so.

Tomorrow, and every day after...
It is for questions.
I have so many questions, because I believe that there is something rotten with the landscape of the SMS, more so than the usual. What is the legality and ethics of the Due Process Gang and their bizarre relationship with Defence, Sleuths and YTers? I believe that we are overdue regulations, when it comes to ppl claiming positions of authority as legal professionals (when they are no longer even practising but making their money from Lives instead).

I have so many questions re: the duty of D. Yes, they should be fighting IN COURT for their clients interests. Does this extend to PR? To the online realm? Why? Why not?

I have a theory. I believe that RA wanted to plead, and the DT decided it was not in his best interest. I believe it was the wrong decision. I believe RA's life and that of his family's will be negatively affected by the gamble of the DT. I believe that a good D should realistically communicate the chances of their client to them and their families, instead of urging them to fight the charges no matter what.

All that... for tomorrow.

For now, grateful that we have Justice for Abby and Libby.


All MOO

Thinking of what you said about the possibility of RA wanting to plead guilty, but his defense may not have let him (or advised him not to)... I'm just throwing out a wild guess here, but I assume the lawyers stand to make a lot more money if they go thru with a trial rather than their client taking a plea, am I right?

That makes the whole thing look much much shadier on the part of the DT, doesn't it? I don't know a way around that conflict of interests though. The only way seems to be to always hire only ethical, morally upstanding attorneys, and I don't think we've figured out how to do that yet!

But really, it's nothing new or unusual. A similar conflict of interests, if it should be called that, is found in many professions and industries. For example, I've always been bothered by a couple in particular. One is very common to people who happen to not be automotively inclined, like me. So I really dread having to take my car in to a mechanic who knows a lot more than I do about my car mechanics, and who also stands to make more money, the more things he finds wrong with it!

Then another one is the dentist! I know I should be able to trust my dentist of all people, but there's just no getting around the fact that the more cavities he finds, the more money he makes, and who am I to know the difference?

So it's a pervasive conflict found in many different areas of life, simply because we pay people who know more about things that we know less about, combined with the fact of human nature that not all people are 100 percent ethical in all ways at all times, along with the fact that people like more money better than less money! No way around it that I can see, and RA's defense team going ahead with a trial possibly against their client's wishes or at least better judgment is just another example of it.

 

[INfisherman]

Have you seen anywhere that anyone came forward to identify the Bridge Guy? Besides LE and Prosecutors. Anyone? Like neighbors, family, co-workers? Anyone?

Yes. Railly Voorheis, Betsy Blair & Sarah Carbaugh all identified BG during the trial.