GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #217

[IzzyBlanche]

I appreciate the effort you went through to do this. I won't read it, personally. The Murder Sheet podcasters are far from unbiased in their reporting, in my opinion. Lawyer Lee is the most unbiased out of everyone reporting on this case, in my opinion. I'll stick with her.

As always, JMO.

Well see, here is what I think is wrong with our society today. I'm just jumping off from your post. This isn't meant personally.

You won't bother to read it because you think TMS podcasters are biased.
I think the OP thinks LL is biased.

If you read it you might conclude that BOTH are biased and the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

JMO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Also too, Bigfoot claims he's in no way responsible.

 

[INfisherman]

There is another question I had about this case.

If SC saw Richard Allen at 3:57pm walking on 300 N by the cemetery and it takes 5-10 minutes to walk from the crime scene to the cemetery, this means Richard Allen left the crime scene at around 3:47pm.

According to his confession, he stayed with the bodies to make sure they were dead. If Liberty German's father started calling at 3:15pm, wouldn't the phone have been ringing for half an hour whenever someone called, texted, or emailed to try and get in contact with her? If the phone was found underneath Abigail Williams body, does that mean it could not be heard(or the phone was on vibrate only and the sound was off for texts, emails, and phone calls)?

Assuming the phone was working normally after crossing Deer Creek, it should have had DGs call(s) in the call history. There is no mention of testimony regarding incoming phone calls in the 3-4 media reports I checked. That’s not to say it wasn’t part of the testimony since the media were restricted from using recording devices. I just am unable to find it being reported. See list of phone activity testimony reported below.

Again, assuming the phone was working normally, it should have rang or vibrated if silenced. The phone was under one of the victims legs or shoe so could have been muffled somehow. IMO opinion exact location isn’t relevant as it wasn’t laying exposed in the open. RA may not have been able to hear any vibrating noises if he was in the process of gathering leaves & branches. It’s also possible he just didn’t think the phone was a concern for some reason.

Keep in mind, the phone may have gotten wet & could have malfunctioned. I tend to think it was working & silenced.

Feb. 13, 2017
1:38:49 p.m.: phone call to Daddy-o
1:39:08 p.m.: phone was charging
1:39:24 p.m.: Call to Daddy-o ends
1:39:30 p.m.: 2nd interaction with messaging app
1:39:45 p.m.: Snapchat viewing
1:41:44 p.m.: Libby posted picture to Snapchat
1:43:49 p.m.: Posted picture of girls in car to Snapchat
2:05:20 p.m.: Snapchat picture of bridge with no people on it
2:07:20 p.m.: Last time phone was unlocked
2:13:57 p.m.: Video recorded :43 seconds long
2:14:41 p.m.: Libby tried to unlock phone with fingerprint
22:32:26 p.m.: phone likely died (note this entry is probably out of order but the time is correct - 10:32:26 p.m.)
2:33 p.m.: Screen was off
4:06 p.m.: Gets SMS message from Becky Patty (Libby's grandmother) saying, "You need to call me now!!!"

Feb. 14, 2017
4:30 a.m.: 15 to 20 text messages come

Source for reported cell activity

Delphi Murders Trial: Day 5 | 'Bridge Guy' sighting, autopsy photos, and digital forensics

Day 5 of the Delphi Murders trial included testimony from a witness who claims to have seen "Bridge Guy" on the day Abby Williams and Libby German went missing.

www.wrtv.com

ETA MOO

Another good read regarding the phone data & details:

Phone extractions shine light on timeline - Carroll County Comet

Richard Allen entered the Carroll County Circuit Courtroom Wednesday, sat down at the Defense table, and opened a brown Gideon Bible. For more than 30 minutes, he read from the Bible as he waited for Judge Fran Gull to call the court into session. Indiana State Police analyzed 23 devices...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

 

[mrjitty]

Excellent Post T!

Just snipping for focus to throw in some extra details. IMO one of the big issues with some of the reporting is people who did not attend the 3 day MIL hearing include incorrect information from the Franks which was never in evidence.

And I haven’t actually seen, I don’t know exactly what the [...] Facebook posts are, so I’m just sort of extrapolating from things that people have said. But I know he was copying some posts by [...] and those, the defense thinks, relate back to Odinism. All of that’s out. Judge has ruled all the third-party culprits, the Odinism out, all out.

This is a clear error, as noted by MS. There is in fact no evidence the two men knew each other, let alone copied facebook posts. This was one of the issues with the D theory, which LL would know if she attended the MIL hearing. So she states as fact something which was not shown at the hearing. Something that is upsetting to me as an old skooler, is that the Judge did not author an indepth opinion itemising her factual findings which makes it hard for those who started at the trial and did not attend MIL.

And the answer to all these is very, very much yes, I mean the evidence is very limited against Richard Allen. And the confessions, frankly, are the biggest evidence against him. That is the number one thing right now.

“No evidence matching any of these people to the crime”, the Judge said (laughs), ironically, then saying “there’s no evidence matching any of these people to the crime, there’s no nexus, like for example there’s no DNA”. Ironic, because of course there’s not any DNA of Richard Allen either. No fingerprints, no DNA of Richard Allen at the scene, so the fact that there isn’t DNA or no fingerprints linking anyone else to the scene, if that’s the rule then you have to question whether Richard Allen has a significant nexus to be prosecuted. And I am sure that that is exactly what they will argue on appeal, if they lose, if the jury convicts Richard Allen.

Again the same thing happens here. The D never fronted the alleged confession witnesses at the MIL. The witnesses are not even mentioned in the D's written final submissions to the Judge on 3rd parties, because they were not in evidence. So what we now have is LL arguing something from Franks that the D never stood up. I've seen her do the same thing on the CAST stuff. To be fair, it's difficult due to the Judge's scant ruling on CAST/Geofence.

And I think she's wrong, as a reporter, not to report on both sides of a case, and with impartiality. It's fine if she wants to say she's biased and has an opinion, but not to hold out as reporting back to us exactly what transpired because of the trial being shrouded in secrecy.

JMO

I guess I grade on a tougher curve there. She is an experienced lawyer, and knows full well that the only arguments on this that really matter are to examine the Indiana case law authorities and distinguish the facts in those cases. The only podcasters who did this were the Prosecutors who explained the top half dozen legal authorities and applied them to the known facts in this case. They did this before MIL, and were thus pretty much the only legal commentators besides KG who were not surprised that odinism was excluded.

Now it is true that the judge has a broad discretion to allow 3rd parties, but the problem for LLs argument is the judge actually heard the alleged evidence at the MIL hearing and an Appeal Court will not overturn factual findings. See for example how LL relies on a "staged crime scene photo" but was it even proven the 3rd party posted that photo? What is it a photo of? There really is so much wild speculation there that is pretty far from evidence that would be allowed in a trial IMO.

I think there is a definitely an issue that LL relies on things that were never actually in evidence but merely touted in Franks.

MOO

 

[Vern]

Well see, here is what I think is wrong with our society today. I'm just jumping off from your post. This isn't meant personally.

You won't bother to read it because you think TMS podcasters are biased.
I think the OP thinks LL is biased.

If you read it you might conclude that BOTH are biased and the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

JMO

BINGO!! You win the internet for the day.

Confirmation bias is a real thing.

 

[mrjitty]

BINGO!! You win the internet for the day.

Confirmation bias is a real thing.

While I agree about confirmation bias, being old skool, i think the 'truth lying in the middle" is not actually how legal analysis works

On SODDI you have to analyse the existing case law, and the facts that were seen as important in those cases and then distinguish them based on the current fact pattern. So of course lawyers like to have a bob each way, and if you were asked by a partner to dig up the case law and write them a memo on this one, you'd likely land where the Prosecutors Podcast did IMO.

i.e you'd be saying these factors and typically important and these ones typically are not regarded as important so therefore we lean to exclusion BUT the judge has a lot of discretion and it will depend what the defence can actually produce as evidence at the hearing.

This is not the same as a Defence Attorney going one way and prosecutors going the other and the truth being in the middle. The correct answer was not in the middle!

Now you can of course disagree with the Judge's ruling provided it is on a principled basis and not based on facts not in evidence, but even then, I think you had better acknowledge that your side has the weaker hand.

MOO

 

[Vern]

While I agree about confirmation bias, being old skool, i think the 'truth lying in the middle" is not actually how legal analysis works

On SODDI you have to analyse the existing case law, and the facts that were seen as important in those cases and then distinguish them based on the current fact pattern. So of course lawyers like to have a bob each way, and if you were asked by a partner to dig up the case law and write them a memo on this one, you'd likely land where the Prosecutors Podcast did IMO.

...

MOO

RB&SBM,

And I'd absolutely agree with you on your 'bolded' bits.

The truth does lay somewhere in the middle when it comes to podcasts or any other thing - one must do their own research to determine what is actually factual to make a true determination. If one chooses not to vary their own sources and research 'the facts' (ie: what was actually evidenced or testified to) then one will undoubtedly find only enough, or in this case, pay attention/read/listen to only that which confirms their own personal opinion. And something being of one's opinion does not equal it being actually factual. That's confirmation bias.

That's why I read through all the documents of the case as they came out (including the many Franks' and their footnotes etc). It's why I listened to numerous and varied podcasts and MSM reportings of the goings-on and testimony given at trial.

It's why I placed more weight on things and evidence actually "testified to under sworn oath" rather than just taking 'allegations' never brought forth in court by witnesses or evidence as being factual just because some random youtuber states they are. The evidence and the testimony given under oath debunked the allegations made in the Franks'.

It's why I didn't pick and choose only one '(partial) quote' from the UN's Protocols on what constitutes "solitary confinement" to prop up an allegation of Richard Allen being "tortured". It's why all the UN Rules need to be read, considered and understood in coming to the determination that RA was not tortured, nor did his confinement meet the definiton of "solitary confinement". It's why I believe this will play no bearing in any appeal. The fact that Richard Allen was kept in prison in pre-trial custody in prison is not limited to himself in Indiana, nor is Indiana limited in this respect amongst other states in the US. There is precedent - for personal safety and for access to the mental healthcare an individual inmate requires at the time - both of which were the determining factors considered by the original judge in making their decision to do so in this particular case.

Facts, evidence and law. Those things resulted in the Probable Cause that got RA arrested and remanded for trial (before any confession ever happened). Those things resulted in the Jury finding him guilty. Those are the things that must be flawed to result in any successful appeal.

Richard Allen isn't going anywhere. He's exactly where he needs to be. So found the facts, the evidence, the law and the Jury.

 

[steeltowngirl]

There is another question I had about this case.

If SC saw Richard Allen at 3:57pm walking on 300 N by the cemetery and it takes 5-10 minutes to walk from the crime scene to the cemetery, this means Richard Allen left the crime scene at around 3:47pm.

According to his confession, he stayed with the bodies to make sure they were dead. If Liberty German's father started calling at 3:15pm, wouldn't the phone have been ringing for half an hour whenever someone called, texted, or emailed to try and get in contact with her? If the phone was found underneath Abigail Williams body, does that mean it could not be heard(or the phone was on vibrate only and the sound was off for texts, emails, and phone calls)?

DG’s calls to Libby’s phone were at 3:11, 3:13, 3:24, 3:32

Delphi: Missing

Podcast Episode · Scene of the Crime · 01/09/2020 · 43m

podcasts.apple.com

 

[Megnut]

There is another question I had about this case.

If SC saw Richard Allen at 3:57pm walking on 300 N by the cemetery and it takes 5-10 minutes to walk from the crime scene to the cemetery, this means Richard Allen left the crime scene at around 3:47pm.

According to his confession, he stayed with the bodies to make sure they were dead. If Liberty German's father started calling at 3:15pm, wouldn't the phone have been ringing for half an hour whenever someone called, texted, or emailed to try and get in contact with her? If the phone was found underneath Abigail Williams body, does that mean it could not be heard(or the phone was on vibrate only and the sound was off for texts, emails, and phone calls)?

Speculation -- of the timeframe between 2:32 and 3:57, you're right -- Richard Allen spent some of that time at the final crime scene (moving Libby, waiting for them to die, covering them with branches -- no signatures, no "signs", just Richard Allen trying to make what he done less visible) and some of the time away from the final crime scene (leaving it). We just don't know the ratio. I imagine sound/mute/vibration comprise recoverable data but maybe, maybe not.

Maybe the final crime scene itself provides a clue. They weren't concealed very well. He made no attempt to recover clothes from the creek, he didn't throw their phone in the creek, he didn't search for and recover his cycled cartridge. So perhaps he was interrupted a second time (the first time being BW's passing by). Was he interrupted by the now-named arguing couple? He IMO was far more likely to see and react to the presence of people because he'd be scanning for it whereas others would have to worry or expectation of it, or was he reacting to Lubby's phone alerts -- realizing people would be looking for them? I don't think he realized how much evidence Libby's phone would contain, if he was even aware she had one. Was he reacting to Libby's own dad, shouting for them? I imagine he wasn't quiet about it.

All this begs the question -- how long did RA stay at the final crime scene? And where did he go from there? Did he cross the creek a second time, planning to leave another way? Did he get lost, misjudge the best route to his car? Was he especially paranoid, fearful of discovery, so he crawled out, low and slow and commando style?

Between 3:15 and 3:57, there were obvious indications of other people in the area and I think Richard Allen would have been keen to them. While also avoiding property owners.

I struggle to imagine what Richard Allen did with all that time after Libby's phone stopped moving. You'd think he'd want to get the hell out of dodge... but we dint think like Richard Allen thinks, thankfully. Did he sit between their bodies and devolve? He was a failure even in what he just done, as it didn't go at all like he planned. Did he contemplate his life? Consider taking it? Did he drink three more beers? Did he fall asleep? Or did he take pictures after all? No phone connecting to towers so maybe he used an actual camera, old school. Books of photos were recovered as evidence from the search of his home, photography not outside his habits and wheelhouse. We can't probably rule out sexual gratification either. Self-service.

In the end, I wonder what set of calculations drew Richard Allen onto the roadway, the one where he gave SC the long opportunity to see him as she approached and passed him. Once he saw her, he opted not to run back to cover so either it wasn't near enough or he thought it would call more not less attention to himself or he thought he could just hide in plain sight, expecting she vignette recognize him.

All this to say IMO Richard Allen could have taken as long as an hour to get from the final crime scene to his car.

JMO

 

[mrjitty]

RB&SBM,

And I'd absolutely agree with you on your 'bolded' bits.

The truth does lay somewhere in the middle when it comes to podcasts or any other thing - one must do their own research to determine what is actually factual to make a true determination. If one chooses not to vary their own sources and research 'the facts' (ie: what was actually evidenced or testified to) then one will undoubtedly find only enough, or in this case, pay attention/read/listen to only that which confirms their own personal opinion. And something being of one's opinion does not equal it being actually factual. That's confirmation bias.

That's why I read through all the documents of the case as they came out (including the many Franks' and their footnotes etc). It's why I listened to numerous and varied podcasts and MSM reportings of the goings-on and testimony given at trial.

It's why I placed more weight on things and evidence actually "testified to under sworn oath" rather than just taking 'allegations' never brought forth in court by witnesses or evidence as being factual just because some random youtuber states they are. The evidence and the testimony given under oath debunked the allegations made in the Franks'.

It's why I didn't pick and choose only one '(partial) quote' from the UN's Protocols on what constitutes "solitary confinement" to prop up an allegation of Richard Allen being "tortured". It's why all the UN Rules need to be read, considered and understood in coming to the determination that RA was not tortured, nor did his confinement meet the definiton of "solitary confinement". It's why I believe this will play no bearing in any appeal. The fact that Richard Allen was kept in prison in pre-trial custody in prison is not limited to himself in Indiana, nor is Indiana limited in this respect amongst other states in the US. There is precedent - for personal safety and for access to the mental healthcare an individual inmate requires at the time - both of which were the determining factors considered by the original judge in making their decision to do so in this particular case.

Facts, evidence and law. Those things resulted in the Probable Cause that got RA arrested and remanded for trial (before any confession ever happened). Those things resulted in the Jury finding him guilty. Those are the things that must be flawed to result in any successful appeal.

Richard Allen isn't going anywhere. He's exactly where he needs to be. So found the facts, the evidence, the law and the Jury.

I certainly agree on that - and especially the need to listen to varied sources.

For instance I believe the Prosecutors had easily the best analysis but they got the SCOIN decision wrong in terms of reinstatement. Not because they made bad arguments, just because the Court went in a different direction. Which is actually a common outcome for anyone who misspent years wading through law review articles and text books about the epic cases of the eras. So you would want to listen to other sources which gave more D centric takes.

I think the sources you want to be most sceptical are ones who say "definitely this" where a judge clearly had multiple acceptable options and it is going to depend on discretion.

MOO

 

[FrostedGlass]

I certainly agree on that - and especially the need to listen to varied sources.

For instance I believe the Prosecutors had easily the best analysis but they got the SCOIN decision wrong in terms of reinstatement. Not because they made bad arguments, just because the Court went in a different direction. Which is actually a common outcome for anyone who misspent years wading through law review articles and text books about the epic cases of the eras. So you would want to listen to other sources which gave more D centric takes.

I think the sources you want to be most sceptical are ones who say "definitely this" where a judge clearly had multiple acceptable options and it is going to depend on discretion.

MOO

Snipped for focus from your post:
For instance I believe the Prosecutors had easily the best analysis but they got the SCOIN decision wrong in terms of reinstatement. Not because they made bad arguments, just because the Court went in a different direction.

"Structural error" was mentioned multiple times in the Indiana Supreme Court's opinion and discussed in the oral argument. I'm not sure how the Prosecutors guessed that wrong.

 

[mrjitty]

Snipped for focus from your post:
For instance I believe the Prosecutors had easily the best analysis but they got the SCOIN decision wrong in terms of reinstatement. Not because they made bad arguments, just because the Court went in a different direction.

"Structural error" was mentioned multiple times in the Indiana Supreme Court's opinion and discussed in the oral argument. I'm not sure how the Prosecutors guessed that wrong.

it's a long time ago now so I don't know that i can summarise their arguments 100% accurately. Of course everyone was well aware of the structural error arguments made in the original filings.

My point is its fairly usual for legal analysis to examine both arguments, make a case one way, only for the court to go the other. I have no issue with that - the law reviews are full of discussions of critical decisions which are "wrongly decided"

What I am sceptical is analysts who are so deadset on one view or the other. As OP (@Tortoise) pointed out - it easily descends into motivated reasoning rather than effective analysis.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

After they leaked crime scene photos the judge tried to get him better lawyers.

Yes, I believe Judge Gull genuinely was concerned about the unprofessional conduct of R&B. I'm wondering now if RA wishes he'd have stuck with S&L instead?

Too late now, RA was found guilty by a jury of his peers because he is guilty, and the DT's case, if you can call it one, was poorly prepared and executed even after they had 2 trial delays. His new appellate attorney's will file that's SOP, but I don't believe it will go anywhere.

This was never a game of I'm right or wrong, winning or losing, it was ALWAYS about #Justice4Abby&Libby. Some people can't accept that fact and never will.

Wonder what Rozzi and Baldwin are up to these days? Probably getting ready for their close ups after sentencing and the gag order is lifted.

JMO

 

[FromGermany1]

Speculation -- of the timeframe between 2:32 and 3:57, you're right -- Richard Allen spent some of that time at the final crime scene (moving Libby, waiting for them to die, covering them with branches -- no signatures, no "signs", just Richard Allen trying to make what he done less visible) and some of the time away from the final crime scene (leaving it). We just don't know the ratio. I imagine sound/mute/vibration comprise recoverable data but maybe, maybe not.

Maybe the final crime scene itself provides a clue. They weren't concealed very well. He made no attempt to recover clothes from the creek, he didn't throw their phone in the creek, he didn't search for and recover his cycled cartridge. So perhaps he was interrupted a second time (the first time being BW's passing by). Was he interrupted by the now-named arguing couple? He IMO was far more likely to see and react to the presence of people because he'd be scanning for it whereas others would have to worry or expectation of it, or was he reacting to Lubby's phone alerts -- realizing people would be looking for them? I don't think he realized how much evidence Libby's phone would contain, if he was even aware she had one. Was he reacting to Libby's own dad, shouting for them? I imagine he wasn't quiet about it.

All this begs the question -- how long did RA stay at the final crime scene? And where did he go from there? Did he cross the creek a second time, planning to leave another way? Did he get lost, misjudge the best route to his car? Was he especially paranoid, fearful of discovery, so he crawled out, low and slow and commando style?

Between 3:15 and 3:57, there were obvious indications of other people in the area and I think Richard Allen would have been keen to them. While also avoiding property owners.

I struggle to imagine what Richard Allen did with all that time after Libby's phone stopped moving. You'd think he'd want to get the hell out of dodge... but we dint think like Richard Allen thinks, thankfully. Did he sit between their bodies and devolve? He was a failure even in what he just done, as it didn't go at all like he planned. Did he contemplate his life? Consider taking it? Did he drink three more beers? Did he fall asleep? Or did he take pictures after all? No phone connecting to towers so maybe he used an actual camera, old school. Books of photos were recovered as evidence from the search of his home, photography not outside his habits and wheelhouse. We can't probably rule out sexual gratification either. Self-service.

In the end, I wonder what set of calculations drew Richard Allen onto the roadway, the one where he gave SC the long opportunity to see him as she approached and passed him. Once he saw her, he opted not to run back to cover so either it wasn't near enough or he thought it would call more not less attention to himself or he thought he could just hide in plain sight, expecting she vignette recognize him.

All this to say IMO Richard Allen could have taken as long as an hour to get from the final crime scene to his car.

JMO

RA doesn't want to be seen as someone not nice, not friendly, not with a good character, it seems. WHY did he admit having planned SA on the teenage girls (and got disturbed by BM), if he even didn't perform his task?? WHY did he tell it at all?

 

[Simply Caustic]

IMO some inmates who experienced (enjoyed, in some cases) publicity contemporaneous to their trial go through an adjustment period once relegated to regular inmate status. They’re no longer the center of attention with their visage a constant on the nightly news, reporters and (imo exploitative) YouTubers alike clamoring for a quote, begging for an interview. They’re the same as every Tom, Dick and Harry in the joint - and they chafe at the very suggestion (imo). It’s an uncomfortable time for them, but some learn to adapt and acclimate to their new life. Some don’t and beg for crumbs of attention (see: Drew Peterson, Suge Knight.) I am interested to see how inmate Allen handles it. JMO

 

[Megnut]

RA doesn't want to be seen as someone not nice, not friendly, not with a good character, it seems. WHY did he admit to having planned SA on the teenage girls (and got disturbed by BM), if he even didn't perform his task?? WHY did he tell it at all?

I don't know.

Hint of truth in every lie.

Knows he didn't rape them, volunteers that in order to distract from what he did do? He had two naked girls under the bridge. That is CSA in its own right. But what else did he do? Touching, watching. He may be an exhibitionist or a voyeur or fetishist, and simply left no DNA evidence.

Somewhere exists his very hidden CSAM history, I'm sure of it even if LE couldn't find or connect it.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Speculation -- of the timeframe between 2:32 and 3:57, you're right -- Richard Allen spent some of that time at the final crime scene (moving Libby, waiting for them to die, covering them with branches -- no signatures, no "signs", just Richard Allen trying to make what he done less visible) and some of the time away from the final crime scene (leaving it). We just don't know the ratio. I imagine sound/mute/vibration comprise recoverable data but maybe, maybe not.

Maybe the final crime scene itself provides a clue. They weren't concealed very well. He made no attempt to recover clothes from the creek, he didn't throw their phone in the creek, he didn't search for and recover his cycled cartridge. So perhaps he was interrupted a second time (the first time being BW's passing by). Was he interrupted by the now-named arguing couple? He IMO was far more likely to see and react to the presence of people because he'd be scanning for it whereas others would have to worry or expectation of it, or was he reacting to Lubby's phone alerts -- realizing people would be looking for them? I don't think he realized how much evidence Libby's phone would contain, if he was even aware she had one. Was he reacting to Libby's own dad, shouting for them? I imagine he wasn't quiet about it.

All this begs the question -- how long did RA stay at the final crime scene? And where did he go from there? Did he cross the creek a second time, planning to leave another way? Did he get lost, misjudge the best route to his car? Was he especially paranoid, fearful of discovery, so he crawled out, low and slow and commando style?

Between 3:15 and 3:57, there were obvious indications of other people in the area and I think Richard Allen would have been keen to them. While also avoiding property owners.

I struggle to imagine what Richard Allen did with all that time after Libby's phone stopped moving. You'd think he'd want to get the hell out of dodge... but we dint think like Richard Allen thinks, thankfully. Did he sit between their bodies and devolve? He was a failure even in what he just done, as it didn't go at all like he planned. Did he contemplate his life? Consider taking it? Did he drink three more beers? Did he fall asleep? Or did he take pictures after all? No phone connecting to towers so maybe he used an actual camera, old school. Books of photos were recovered as evidence from the search of his home, photography not outside his habits and wheelhouse. We can't probably rule out sexual gratification either. Self-service.

In the end, I wonder what set of calculations drew Richard Allen onto the roadway, the one where he gave SC the long opportunity to see him as she approached and passed him. Once he saw her, he opted not to run back to cover so either it wasn't near enough or he thought it would call more not less attention to himself or he thought he could just hide in plain sight, expecting she vignette recognize him.

All this to say IMO Richard Allen could have taken as long as an hour to get from the final crime scene to his car.

JMO

I believe RA spent every last moment possible with Libby and Abby, certainly not out of some warped sense of making sure they were dead out of compassion. I think he was fulfilling his sick, twisted fantasy. Pictures and/or videos for sure IMO. I don't think he left the CS until he heard Libby's Dad calling out their names. The timing makes sense.

Old N300 is way less traveled than going back through the Mears entrance. RA couldn't risk the trails or Mears parking entrance so he walked along the 'forested' area as long as possible, but had to step out of that cover as it runs out the last 50 yards IIRC and onto Old N300 in order to get back to his car or home first (good thought) as you mentioned. He knew those trails like the back of his hand having been on them many, many times.

Then along came SC, thank the heavens. That road is super narrow which gave her a good view of RA as she slowly passed RA (both moving, East vs West). As she stated in her testimony on the stand "I saw BG muddy and bloody walking on that road, I passed him and at the closet point it was maybe 2-3 feet away".

Divine intervention, SC and KS and Libby herself with the video. Female power activated to bring RA down.

As always, JMO

JMO

 

[Boxer]

Yes, I believe Judge Gull genuinely was concerned about the unprofessional conduct of R&B. I'm wondering now if RA wishes he'd have stuck with S&L instead?

Too late now, RA was found guilty by a jury of his peers because he is guilty, and the DT's case, if you can call it one, was poorly prepared and executed even after they had 2 trial delays. His new appellate attorney's will file that's SOP, but I don't believe it will go anywhere.

This was never a game of I'm right or wrong, winning or losing, it was ALWAYS about #Justice4Abby&Libby. Some people can't accept that fact and never will.

Wonder what Rozzi and Baldwin are up to these days? Probably getting ready for their close ups after sentencing and the gag order is lifted.

JMO

MOO RA is guilty, and MOO the Ds strategy was to plea not guilty and get a hung jury with one juror to fall to a hazy SODDI theory.

But when they had no actual facts, just the record that the police had looked into that angle along with other angles, they did not have the evidence to accuse specific people of being the killers in court.

It's pretty easy to summon up an internet style self-referential conspiracy theory. They put all their eggs in one basket and stuck with their story until the rubber met the road and the story could not be admitted in court as there had to be some evidence, not debatable observations such as saying branches look like runes.

 

[Warwick7]

RA doesn't want to be seen as someone not nice, not friendly, not with a good character, it seems. WHY did he admit having planned SA on the teenage girls (and got disturbed by BM), if he even didn't perform his task?? WHY did he tell it at all?

His conscience needed it off his chest. He wanted so badly to confess.
Yet he wanted to confess and his family still love him.
M00

 

[girlhasnoname]

His conscience needed it off his chest. He wanted so badly to confess.
Yet he wanted to confess and his family still love him.
M00

I would like to believe it was his conscience that was at work, I believe RA knew the State had him dead to right's after he read their Discovery Dump, and he needed to get his story out to his Wife and Mom before it became public.

"Will you still love me even though I killed those girls" codependency stuff. To do what he did and leave Abby and Libby the way that he did, it's hard for me to think RA had a conscious at all.

He had been living with it just fine for over 5+ years. Hiding in plain sight. <sigh>

JMO

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