GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #217

[sunshineray]

The words "negligent attorneys" has been tossed around a lot. If anyone finds where these two attorneys have been found guilty of negligence and/or broke the rules of professional misconduct, please post the findings.

This link shows both attorneys are active and in good standing:

https://courtapps.in.gov/rollofattorneys

They were removed by JG and that was her language as to the reasons. It's in the court docket in RA's MyCase.

Indiana Courts Case Search - MyCase

Indiana Supreme Court, Public Access

public.courts.in.gov

 

[steeltowngirl]

RA doesn't want to be seen as someone not nice, not friendly, not with a good character, it seems. WHY did he admit having planned SA on the teenage girls (and got disturbed by BM), if he even didn't perform his task?? WHY did he tell it at all?

So he could blame his sex addiction for murdering two girls.

jmo

 

[somequestions]

DG’s calls to Libby’s phone were at 3:11, 3:13, 3:24, 3:32

Delphi: Missing

Podcast Episode · Scene of the Crime · 01/09/2020 · 43m

podcasts.apple.com

Liberty German knew her father would probably be calling at some point to pick them up? I wonder what her ring tone was for her phone?

I wonder if the phone rang while Richard Allen was placing the sticks on the girls? Sometimes the phone will also light up when a call comes in, even if it is on silence or vibrate.

Maybe the phone malfunctioned due to crossing the creek and then started to work again later? But if that were the case, I would have expected her father to say his calls went directly to voicemail and that there was no ringing.

The jury got to hear the evidence about the phone so maybe there is some other reason to explain it.

 

[FrostedGlass]

I think the one major error the defense team made was underestimating this judge. How many denials does it take before they could see what direction the case was taking. IMO there was never going to be a nexus unless they could bring actual proof that the third party folks were responsible for the murders. MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Just talking for myself here….I don’t really care what some official lawyer oversight organization has to say about Baldwin and Rozzi.
I know negligence and incompetence when I see it as easily as I could spot the lies and half truths those two deliberately spread prior to the trial.
Once they got to the trial they proved themselves to be astonishingly ill prepared and very very bad at lawyering.
They did absolutely nothing to help their client. They never requested any psychological evaluation among other things. They delayed the trial with ridiculous motions. So much cr#p from them. Leaked crime scene photos, ignoring gag orders, so much, too much.
If the State of Indiana gives their stamp of approval for them, well, watch out citizens of Indiana.

Absolutely perfectly stated @StarryStarryNight. Their unprofessionalism started shortly after their appointment with their "Press Release" and continued to spiral into full blown misconduct.

<snipped - located in Section Number 15 of linked>

In an interview with AB, AB admitted to ISP that he had voluntarily given a copy of the Franks Memo to his friend MW and also voluntarily gave a copy to another Civilian.

One doesn't have to wonder about their misconduct very deeply to see what is staring you right in the face. They are a disgrace to genuine, professional Defense Attorneys everywhere.

JMO

https://fox59.com/wp-content/upload...d-Info-of-Contempt.pdf?ipid=promo-link-block4

 

[steeltowngirl]

Liberty German knew her father would probably be calling at some point to pick them up? I wonder what her ring tone was for her phone?

I wonder if the phone rang while Richard Allen was placing the sticks on the girls? Sometimes the phone will also light up when a call comes in, even if it is on silence or vibrate.

Maybe the phone malfunctioned due to crossing the creek and then started to work again later? But if that were the case, I would have expected her father to say his calls went directly to voicemail and that there was no ringing.

The jury got to hear the evidence about the phone so maybe there is some other reason to explain it.

I believe Derrick’s first two calls went unanswered, and the last two went straight to voicemail.

I am curious - what is the significance of the phone ringing?

Post in thread 'IN - Abigail Williams & Liberty German, Delphi, Media, Maps, Timelines NO DISCUSSION'
IN - Abigail Williams & Liberty German, Delphi, Media, Maps, Timelines NO DISCUSSION

 

[Megnut]

I would like to believe it was his conscious that was at work, I believe RA knew the State had him dead to right's after he read their Discovery Dump, and he needed to get his story out to his Wife and Mom before it became public.

"Will you still love me even though I killed those girls" codependency stuff. To do what he did and leave Abby and Libby the way that he did, it's hard for me to think RA had a conscious at all.

He had been living with it just fine for over 5+ years. Hiding in plain sight. <sigh>

JMO

Agreed.

An ounce of conscience which IMO is a poor substitute for a conscience because it's actually self-preservation.

He knew the truth was coming out. He wanted assurance they'd stand by him. Which isn't conscience of any size. It's just more self.

JMO

 

[tlcya]

Just talking for myself here….I don’t really care what some official lawyer oversight organization has to say about Baldwin and Rozzi.
I know negligence and incompetence when I see it as easily as I could spot the lies and half truths those two deliberately spread prior to the trial.
Once they got to the trial they proved themselves to be astonishingly ill prepared and very very bad at lawyering.
They did absolutely nothing to help their client. They never requested any psychological evaluation among other things. They delayed the trial with ridiculous motions. So much cr#p from them. Leaked crime scene photos, ignoring gag orders, so much, too much.
If the State of Indiana gives their stamp of approval for them, well, watch out citizens of Indiana.

I believe a complaint must be made in order for the bar or the courts to investigate claims of this nature. So if no complaint has been made of course an attorney is listed as in good standing with the Indiana bar/courts. Doe it mean they haven't done anything wrong? not particularly. It means nobody has complained or alleged that they have and no subsequent investigation of any allegations has been undertaken.

We all have varied opinions on defense counsel. What is most important IMO is whether their client feels he received an adequate defense. Everything else is simply our own opinions as John and Jane Q. Public.

I personally happen to feel they did their client a disservice with some of their shenanigans (see all iterations of the Franks motion). And nobody will ever convince me the leaked photos from their office were stolen/duplicated without their express permission. But that is just MOO.

If a tree falls in the woods but no one heard it did the tree fall? Indeed it did. JMO and just bouncing off yours that I tend to agree with.

 

[Tortoise]

His conscience needed it off his chest. He wanted so badly to confess.
Yet he wanted to confess and his family still love him.
M00

Yes, and he found God.
Until Kathy didn't believe him.
Then he went and tore up his bible and flushed it down the pan.

 

[Gemmie]

DG’s calls to Libby’s phone were at 3:11, 3:13, 3:24, 3:32

Delphi: Missing

Podcast Episode · Scene of the Crime · 01/09/2020 · 43m

podcasts.apple.com

Since Libby's phone was called several times when the killer was with them, it sounds like it's a good thing for the girls and the case that Libby's phone didn't ring, buzz or vibrate, or it would have called attention to it laying under Abby. Either that or he was so focused on what he was doing that he didn't notice. Either way, it's great for the girls and the case!

 

[girlhasnoname]

Since Libby's phone was called several times when the killer was with them, it sounds like it's a good thing for the girls and the case that Libby's phone didn't ring, buzz or vibrate, or it would have called attention to it laying under Abby. Either that or he was so focused on what he was doing that he didn't notice. Either way, it's great for the girls and the case!

IKR? Libby was a hero and that phone was karma IMO.

 

[INfisherman]

We can't probably rule out sexual gratification either. Self-service.

I believe that occurred & possibly explains the missing sock and/or panties.

I wonder if he was singing then like he did in jail?

 

[sunshineray]

I think the one major error the defense team made was underestimating this judge. How many denials does it take before they could see what direction the case was taking. IMO there was never going to be a nexus unless they could bring actual proof that the third party folks were responsible for the murders. MOO

Maybe if their filings weren't such shoddy work they may have had better luck? But really, without evidence to back up their claims, any judge would have ruled the same as JG, IMO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

<modsnip - quoted posI was removed>
I think this child murderer will acclimate just fine in prison. He'll find a surrogate codependent inmate friend and the world will keep on turning.

I admit I'm curious as to how long it will take for Mrs. A to file the divorce papers or if she will be making any media rounds on his behalf?

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

Absolutely perfectly stated @StarryStarryNight. Their unprofessionalism started shortly after their appointment with their "Press Release" and continued to spiral into full blown misconduct.

<snipped - located in Section Number 15 of linked>

In an interview with AB, AB admitted to ISP that he had voluntarily given a copy of the Franks Memo to his friend MW and also voluntarily gave a copy to another Civilian.

One doesn't have to wonder about their misconduct very deeply to see what is staring you right in the face. They are a disgrace to genuine, professional Defense Attorneys everywhere.

JMO

https://fox59.com/wp-content/upload...d-Info-of-Contempt.pdf?ipid=promo-link-block4

I knew it!!!
I just couldn't find this link again.
Thank you!!!

 

[INfisherman]

RA isn't doing that again remember? I think this child murderer will acclimate just fine in prison. He'll find a surrogate codependent inmate friend and the world will keep on turning.

I admit I'm curious as to how long it will take for Mrs. A to file the divorce papers or if she will be making any media rounds on his behalf?

JMO

He’s known liar so there is still hope for more poopie games. He might get lucky & find a cuddle buddy with his new husband cell mate.

I’m sure KA will find a new sugar daddy at some point. I think I just threw up a little bit in the back of my mouth. Rick "We’re all RA" Snay will probably be waiting.

MOO

 

[INfisherman]

RA doesn't want to be seen as someone not nice, not friendly, not with a good character, it seems. WHY did he admit having planned SA on the teenage girls (and got disturbed by BM), if he even didn't perform his task?? WHY did he tell it at all?

Along with others weighing in, I tend to feel that RA somewhat enjoyed being in contact with LE prior to 2022. It made him feel like he was smarter than them & with each passing day fed his ego in that he was getting away with the murders. Made him feel like a big man somehow, probably both mentally & physically. He wanted others to see him as smart & successful even though his career wasn’t considered anything special by some standards. Always pointing out what he’d done, needing that acknowledgment because he knew deep down he was a pathetic, feeble, weak minded & unhappy little man.

He was a nobody that envied those who stood out more than him & he just blended in & watched & let it all fester, while also doing just enough ogling to give more attentive folks the creeps. Probably very socially awkward, especially around women who were more than likely to give him no notice or return his probable creep-like advances, at least until he got a few beers in him.

JMO

ETA a pathetic/context

 

[Vern]

Liberty German knew her father would probably be calling at some point to pick them up? I wonder what her ring tone was for her phone?

I wonder if the phone rang while Richard Allen was placing the sticks on the girls? Sometimes the phone will also light up when a call comes in, even if it is on silence or vibrate.

Maybe the phone malfunctioned due to crossing the creek and then started to work again later? But if that were the case, I would have expected her father to say his calls went directly to voicemail and that there was no ringing.

The jury got to hear the evidence about the phone so maybe there is some other reason to explain it.

If she's like the teens that I know, her phone was set to silent/vibrate; if it lit up; it was also found under Abby so obviously RA would not have seen that.

 

[Vern]

I think the one major error the defense team made was underestimating this judge. How many denials does it take before they could see what direction the case was taking. IMO there was never going to be a nexus unless they could bring actual proof that the third party folks were responsible for the murders. MOO

I think the major mistake the Defense Team made was overestimating their own abilities.

How many times can they submit the same Franks' and SODDIs without providing a shred of credible evidence towards the nexus of one of them potentially being associated/involved/responsible? Had they actually done that, their SODDI would have been allowed in. They were given the opportunity once again at trial to show offer of proof and failed again. Nothing but gossip, rumour and innuendo. Gull never expected the D-Team to "bring actual proof that the third party folks were responsible for the murders" as you state. She asked for them to provide something tangible and credible. Some dude's facebook posted photo of a 'crime scene' (from what was it 2012?? or so) that in no way resembles the actual crime scene ain't going to cut it.

The Defense Team also made a major error when, with their failure to provide anything tangible so many times, that they continued down that rabbit hole instead of working on a viable defense for Richard Allen --- and their vanity and error in that department may very well have cost him the rest of his life in freedom. Wascaly wabbits that they are.

They need to stop blaming Gull for following the law and go take a good, hard look at themseves in the mirror. IMO.

 

[INfisherman]

I think the one major error the defense team made was underestimating this judge. How many denials does it take before they could see what direction the case was taking. IMO there was never going to be a nexus unless they could bring actual proof that the third party folks were responsible for the murders. MOO

It’s also quite possible they used public opinion (SM, YT comments, forums) as their measuring stick for potential success in the court with their chosen strategies. The proof, regardless of which strategy/story they wish to present, was the hill most difficult to climb it seems. Plenty of choices out there, that’s for sure. I’m not giving any of said theories merit by any means either, it’s just a subject that crosses my mind. I would hope there were obvious lessons learned & not just by this particular team. There are reasons LE typically doesn’t dump all their evidence out for the public to sift through prior to an arrest or trial.

JMO