GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #218

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The Delphi Murders: First Person: Chief Deputy Tobe Leazenby

Tobe Leazenby was the sheriff of Carroll County when the Delphi murders occurred. Now he continues to serve the community as chief deputy. We spoke with him...

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25m ff. Describes the search, believed they would find the girls, just missing. Official search ended at 2am but many stayed out there searching through the night.

"Blood had been spilled on our soil" -- wanted to retain charge of the investigation. Many agencies on board, Sheriff's definitely wanted to keep the investigation with the County.

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Chief Deputy Tobe Leazenby

Tobe Leazenby was the sheriff of Carroll County when the Delphi murders occurred. Now he continues to serve the community as chief deputy. We spoke with him...

murdersheetpodcast.com

 

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32 m. "Fight" with DC. Sheriff learns DC was going to handle the press conference, Sheriff says BS on that. People want to see their sheriff. I think he literally said, "I'm the only sheriff in this here town." I could almost hear the showdown spurs clicking. JMO

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Chief Deputy Tobe Leazenby

Tobe Leazenby was the sheriff of Carroll County when the Delphi murders occurred. Now he continues to serve the community as chief deputy. We spoke with him...

murdersheetpodcast.com

 

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He felt it was a local perp.

Credits family for keeping the girls at the forefront.

Small town Delphi also has big town issues.

Sheriff wanted would be criminals to know they weren't welcome in Delphi.

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Chief Deputy Tobe Leazenby

Tobe Leazenby was the sheriff of Carroll County when the Delphi murders occurred. Now he continues to serve the community as chief deputy. We spoke with him...

murdersheetpodcast.com

 

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43m. About assumptions and speculation online, frustrated with media, but mostly, he said, in one ear out the other. Subscribes to there being two sides to every story. Talks about the politics involved, talks about people who he thought were friends weren't, tried to rise above the fray.

48 m defends the Defense for having a job to do, doesn't necessarily respect how they did it, but he respects their office/positions as defense attorneys.

Did have personal encounters with RA at CVS. He'd be in uniform, RA would help him find things. Very professional, helpful.

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Chief Deputy Tobe Leazenby

Tobe Leazenby was the sheriff of Carroll County when the Delphi murders occurred. Now he continues to serve the community as chief deputy. We spoke with him...

murdersheetpodcast.com

 

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53m talks about the verdict. He's a man of faith, believes God is God of justice... it felt surreal to him but that justice was served.

Expects to retire in the years ahead, has faith in LE moving forward.

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Chief Deputy Tobe Leazenby

Tobe Leazenby was the sheriff of Carroll County when the Delphi murders occurred. Now he continues to serve the community as chief deputy. We spoke with him...

murdersheetpodcast.com

 

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58m
What the girls mean to him --
Strength, how strong the girls had to have been. The mindset to record that video. What they went through. Being strong for each other.

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Chief Deputy Tobe Leazenby

Tobe Leazenby was the sheriff of Carroll County when the Delphi murders occurred. Now he continues to serve the community as chief deputy. We spoke with him...

murdersheetpodcast.com

 

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“Are you at peace with the verdict?”

“The verdict was fair and just,” answered Mike Patty, grandfather of Libby. “Our justice system worked just as intended. It won’t bring the girls back—that will never happen, but at least he can’t do this to someone else’s family.”

Libby German’s grandparents open up about the Delphi trial

DELPHI, Ind. — Abby Williams and Libby German should be finishing their college senior year with eyes on graduation. But that was among the many milestones stolen from their families. “Two gi…

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[BexLuth0r]

8 years today. I'm glad the girls finally got justice. The most recent picture of the phone that was released just re emphasised that these were two young girls. Just out for a walk with their best friend. And their lives were taken.
My heart is with the families and friends of both of them today where they finally have an anniversary knowing their killer is convicted and behind bars.

 

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58m
What the girls mean to him --
Strength, how strong the girls had to have been. The mindset to record that video. What they went through. Being strong for each other.

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Chief Deputy Tobe Leazenby

Tobe Leazenby was the sheriff of Carroll County when the Delphi murders occurred. Now he continues to serve the community as chief deputy. We spoke with him...

murdersheetpodcast.com

58m
What the girls mean to him --
Strength, how strong the girls had to have been. The mindset to record that video. What they went through. Being strong for each other.

The Delphi Murders: First Person: Chief Deputy Tobe Leazenby

Tobe Leazenby was the sheriff of Carroll County when the Delphi murders occurred. Now he continues to serve the community as chief deputy. We spoke with him...

murdersheetpodcast.com

The killer was working 1000ft. from the station. The tip that was buried by bad police practice was in a box in his station. He knew the killers voice and he told to media, meaning he told the killer he knew his voice.

 

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The killer was working 1000ft. from the station. The tip that was buried by bad police practice was in a box in his station. He knew the killers voice and he told to media, meaning he told the killer he knew his voice.

I have used this made-up example on other threads -- for how to hide in plain sight. Thief holds up a bank, but holds the door open for LE as they arrive to investigate. You don't expect the criminal to be standing there, helping. True story, man breaks in, kills a mom and dad, abducts teen. Cops are on scene in under 4 minutes, no sign of suspect or victim and she is only rescued when she saves herself, 80 days later. Only one car on a road the night of the massacre abduction -- the suspect's car, with the bound child in his truck, met LE as they were racing to the home. He pulled to the shoulder, dutifully using his turn signal. You don't expect the suspect to do that, to be law-abiding and conscientious. And you don't expect the man who brutally murdered two little girls to go out of his way to give the victim's family free photos or help the local sheriff find the right cough syrup. That's why no one recognized him as BG. He wore a disguise. In the form of polite, professional, helpful.

Cognitive bias. You expect them to hide, hang back, be furtive, break a sweat, look suspicious.

You don't expect a child murderer to go out of his way to be nice.

Clever costume, RA. It almost worked.

Except for a video that caught him as he truly was.

JMO

 

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58m talks about media. Says he has a new appreciation for Podcaster and youtubers. Said some podcasts and youtubers who reported with more balance than some MSM. He takes about the value of good, balanced investigative journalism, even if it's critical. Says LE relies on the media, "the good, the bad, we're stuck with each other".

Interesting. TMS asks him the greatest public misperception -- that LE had more evidence than it has, that it was holding a lot back when the reality was they had very little evidence and they were holding that back from the public.

Libby's video was their greatest evidence.

The Delphi Murders: First Person: First Sergeant Steve Buckley

First Sergeant Steve Buckley of the Indiana State Police spoke with us early in January about the Delphi murders case. Pre-order our book on Delphi here: ...

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Thanks for your summaries. This part sure settles the difference in opinion that came up when we discussed the lack of evidence in PCA:
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Interesting. TMS asks him the greatest public misperception -- that LE had more evidence than it has, that it was holding a lot back when the reality was they had very little evidence and they were holding that back from the public.

 

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Thanks for your summaries. This part sure settles the difference in opinion that came up when we discussed the lack of evidence in PCA:
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Interesting. TMS asks him the greatest public misperception -- that LE had more evidence than it has, that it was holding a lot back when the reality was they had very little evidence and they were holding that back from the public.

Precious little.

Which just increases the import of the evidence they did have.

He was smart/lucky. Chose a remote, outdoor location. Minimizing DNA transfer. Interrupted SA so no biological event in that regard. Little physical contact, but again, outdoors. Plus a bloody scene. Blood may have flooded his DNA. No CCTV in the park itself, only the one HH camera. If not for Libby's camera, LE would not have had a lock on time and location and no likeness to compare against witness statements. No video to study relative to the recovered cartridge, no corroboration for a gun.

If not for a handful of witnesses and Libby's phone...

JMO

 

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Mother of Delphi murders victim, 13, reveals why a moment from the worst day of her life makes her 'grateful'​

‘I was always very grateful that the girls stayed together,’ she says, her voice choking with emotion.

‘And whether or not things turned out the way we would have hoped, resolutions came about because of how they were that day and how they stayed together.

‘Both of their actions helped us get to solving their crime.’

Delphi murders victim's mom on 1st anniversary since killer convicted

Eight years on from her daughter Abigail Williams's disappearance, her mother Anna tells DailyMail.com how she goes through the pain of that day over and over, even though the murderer is behind bars.

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My thoughts and prayers are with Abby and Libby’s loved ones. I can’t imagine how hard it must be for their family and friends today and every day.

 

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Precious little.

Which just increases the import of the evidence they did have.

He was smart/lucky. Chose a remote, outdoor location. Minimizing DNA transfer. Interrupted SA so no biological event in that regard. Little physical contact, but again, outdoors. Plus a bloody scene. Blood may have flooded his DNA. No CCTV in the park itself, only the one HH camera. If not for Libby's camera, LE would not have had a lock on time and location and no likeness to compare against witness statements. No video to study relative to the recovered cartridge, no corroboration for a gun.

If not for a handful of witnesses and Libby's phone...

JMO

Libby's phone...

Did TMS say much about that video?

 

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Libby's phone...

Did TMS say much about that video?

Yes.

They've asked each of the LE officials they've interviewed about the importance of it. But they have also talked about it personally, after having viewed it.

I don't think I can overstate how awful it is.

No, it's not a smooth movie reel where BG emerges in the distance and walks directly toward the girls. Libby and Abby were terrified, Libby was understandably fumbling the phone, Abby's face was briefly visible iirc, then her feet running, BG visible but upside down.

IMO it captures the horror.

JMO

 

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Yes.

They've asked each of the LE officials they've interviewed about the importance of it. But they have also talked about it personally, after having viewed it.

I don't think I can overstate how awful it is.

No, it's not a smooth movie reel where BG emerges in the distance and walks directly toward the girls. Libby and Abby were terrified, Libby was understandably fumbling the phone, Abby's face was briefly visible iirc, then her feet running, BG visible but upside down.

IMO it captures the horror.

JMO

Did they report seeing this picture or one similar in the original video?

 

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Did they report seeing this picture or one similar in the original video?
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I don't know that they spoke to that.

I think it's safe to say that the video was hard to decipher, without aid.

Example: say you're recoding something but drop your phone. While it tumbles, it's still recording.

Makes send to me that you'd need to stabilize it, orient it, slow it down, frame by frame, to be able to see what's up and down, what was but a flash.

Extraordinary that it was filmed, that it was recovered and that it contained so many identifiable details, including key elements of the crime.

JMO

 

[Jade]

Since the arrest of RA this case has reminded me of the Defendant, James Blevins, in an old case the Lula Lake Murders.

I’ve linked an interesting excerpt.

Cormac McCarthy’s book Child of God draws from the James Blevins murder case.

In the book when Lester is abducted by a mob even to their outraged eyes “he didn’t look like much”

This link should open to page 138 the chapter on James Blevins, Lookout Mountain Voyeur from the book Reading the World: Cormac McCarthy’s Tennessee Period



…the simmering impulse towards violence cooled… as the trial process went on and pictures of James Blevins reached the public. Timid, ashamed, soft of voice and small of frame…
Reading the World

Since this is WS I found a link to an article by an attorney with the procedural mistakes that led to acquittals:
Jerry Summers: The Lula Lake Murders


RA wasn’t suspected, imo, because he wasn’t noticed enough to be considered, too nothing, not conspicuous or remarkable good or bad. Except to KA.

RA, imo, works a dual personality like on the trails. A little nice soft spoken milquetoast at work and the bar but at home watching horror, goggling creepy topics, drinking to loud disagreeable excess.

All imo

 

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I don't know that they spoke to that.

I think it's safe to say that the video was hard to decipher, without aid.

Example: say you're recoding something but drop your phone. While it tumbles, it's still recording.

Makes send to me that you'd need to stabilize it, orient it, slow it down, frame by frame, to be able to see what's up and down, what was but a flash.

Extraordinary that it was filmed, that it was recovered and that it contained so many identifiable details, including key elements of the crime.

JMO

And still. Nobody recognized him. It *still* is a bit mind boggling. just stating the rather bleeding obvious, no offence, no RA sympathy.

Just a sense of - Huh? That never seems to go away. I guess we all have our vices, childlike persistent wonderment, when noting something seemingly unfathomable, being mine…