GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #219

[Schatz]

You have to love the pro RA claiming he is innocent don’t have anything to offer in his defense

it’s no wonder he is banged up for life with such convincing evidence

<modsnip> I take issue with the notion that people who express concern with multiple angles of this case are "pro-RA." Pro-justice is not the same thing as pro-RA. Plenty of people here have offered evidence backing their concern at every step in this process, myself included.

 

[Salah11]

<modsnip> I take issue with the notion that people who express concern with multiple angles of this case are "pro-RA." Pro-justice is not the same thing as pro-RA. Plenty of people here have offered evidence backing their concern at every step in this process, myself included.

We are all pro justice are we not?

It was about getting a man who decided to murder two young girls on an afternoon walk banged up. Justice has now been served and the man responsible will now rot in jail until he dies.

 

[Schatz]

We are all pro justice are we not?

It was about getting a man who decided to murder two young girls on an afternoon walk banged up. Justice has now been served and the man responsible will now rot in jail until he dies.

I'll wait for the court transcripts, exhibits, and appeal process.

 

[Salah11]

I'll wait for the court transcripts, exhibits, and appeal process.

It won’t change the facts that he is guilty and there is no evidence to suggest otherwise and nobody has been proven to be out on that bridge apart from RA which he has admitted to.

 

[statt#1]

I'm addressing this remark: "prove RA's innocence." For me, innocence is presumed and guilt must be proven. The prosecution failed. I think the verdict would have been different if the judge had not cleared the path to RA. She gave the jury no other chance to ask: "If it wasn't him, who else could it be?" MOO

Yes, the part I bolded (which I fully understand to be a favored comment in legal circles) has always been a response to posts regarding, in my opinion, a common sense question as to, assuming RA is innocent, why has NOBODY ever given a detailed account as to his whereabouts at the exact time he indicates himself that he was on that bridge.

 

[Schatz]

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From my view, there is no evidence of guilt. He self-reported within 2-3 days that he was on the trail and shared what he knew. He gave his phone information. He was wearing clothes similar to BG - like most men in rural Indiana. They clearly weren't interested in him at that time. There is no DNA or technological evidence tying him to the crime, despite that evidence existing at the crime scene. His Google search history was unremarkable.

On the State's side you have critical missing evidence (lost gas station footage, taped-over interviews), discovery repeatedly not turned over by deadline or (in some cases) at all, Click convinced they had the wrong guy, 3 other people who have allegedly confessed to being involved in the crime in some way who were in (in my non-expert opinion) less psychologically fragile states than RA at the time of his - KK, EF, and now RL. And the Court blocking any attempt to present the whole picture to a jury.

 

[Megnut]

Richard Allen doesn't get a do-over trial just because he and his attorneys don't like the outcome.

The shaky claim that the State withheld exculpatory discovery needs a real foundation, has to be exculpatory, and iiuc has to be of such a character it might have changed the verdict.

However there's nothing new here. The Defense was aware of this really, really poor witness and chose not to call him to the stand.

Their supposed cctv of a van at 2:44 hasn't even been authenticated. The only thing we know for sure is the clock was off. By exactly 12 hours? By more or less than that? Maybe they adjusted it 12 hours in the wrong direction and BW passed by that camera on the 14th at 2:44.

Procedural errors? This case had scrutiny from SCION! The original defense team was reinstated -- granting them professional courtesy (which they took, then objected to), Gull didn't follow proper procedure. Disingenuous, however, that team represented to SCION that new counsel would interfere with RA's speedy trial because they were READY for trial, which was not the case.

Gull's rulings stood. Fair without bias.

Personally I wish she had returned with a proper hearing to replace RA's attorneys whom I believe pressured RA directly and through KA to say he wanted to keep them (RA to KA, "should I trust them?") I would have been curious to see how another legal team would have represented him, regardless of any colleaguespeak offered in order not to denigrate previous counsel.

I'll be shocked if RA's awarded a new trial.

It was a clean trial. Even if the Defense IMO wasn't.

JMO

 

[Salah11]

From my view, there is no evidence of guilt. He self-reported within 2-3 days that he was on the trail and shared what he knew. He gave his phone information. He was wearing clothes similar to BG - like most men in rural Indiana. They clearly weren't interested in him at that time. There is no DNA or technological evidence tying him to the crime, despite that evidence existing at the crime scene. His Google search history was unremarkable.

On the State's side you have critical missing evidence (lost gas station footage, taped-over interviews), discovery repeatedly not turned over by deadline or (in some cases) at all, Click convinced they had the wrong guy, 3 other people who have allegedly confessed to being involved in the crime in some way who were in (in my non-expert opinion) less psychologically fragile states than RA at the time of his - KK, EF, and now RL. And the Court blocking any attempt to present the whole picture to a jury.

this is a genuine question because I honestly don’t understand the logic when people try and blame RL.

That new video we saw is clearly not RL walking behind Abby would you agree to that?

 

[Schatz]

this is a genuine question because I honestly don’t understand the logic when people try and blame RL.

That new video we saw is clearly not RL walking behind Abby would you agree to that?

Of all the named POIs, I think it most resembles KK, tbh.

 

[Salah11]

Of all the named POIs, I think it most resembles KK, tbh.

Thank You as that is not a 6ft+ man walking behind Abby.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Yes, the part I bolded (which I fully understand to be a favored comment in legal circles) has always been a response to posts regarding, in my opinion, a common sense question as to, assuming RA is innocent, why has NOBODY ever given a detailed account as to his whereabouts at the exact time he indicates himself that he was on that bridge.

MOO
If he was home but can't prove it, that doesn't mean he's guilty. According to court docs, the car believed to be his parked at the old CPS building was not seen after ~2:15. BB claimed to have seen a totally different vehicle there. If his car wasn't there, it's likely that he wasn't either.

 

[Warwick7]

<modsnip - quoted post was removed>

From my view, there is no evidence of guilt. He self-reported within 2-3 days that he was on the trail and shared what he knew. He gave his phone information. He was wearing clothes similar to BG - like most men in rural Indiana. They clearly weren't interested in him at that time. There is no DNA or technological evidence tying him to the crime, despite that evidence existing at the crime scene. His Google search history was unremarkable.

On the State's side you have critical missing evidence (lost gas station footage, taped-over interviews), discovery repeatedly not turned over by deadline or (in some cases) at all, Click convinced they had the wrong guy, 3 other people who have allegedly confessed to being involved in the crime in some way who were in (in my non-expert opinion) less psychologically fragile states than RA at the time of his - KK, EF, and now RL. And the Court blocking any attempt to present the whole picture to a jury.

M00

His phone missing in 2017 reflects negatively on RA.

2013 drawer
2014 drawer
2015 drawer
2016 drawer
2017 missing
2018 drawer
2019 drawer
2020 drawer
2021 drawer

Although he said he was on his phone checking stock while on the bridge, it was a lie. His phone was not in the geofence. His phone was not there.

Holeman Interview:

"In the video, Kathy Allen enters the room and hugs her husband.

“It’s going to be all right,” Allen tells his wife.

He tells her that he “can’t believe” she thinks he committed the murders.

“You know me. You know this isn’t something I could do,” Allen says. “I’m not going to sit here and convince you. I know you know I didn’t do this.”

Kathy Allen asks her husband how the bullet from his gun ended up at the crime scene, adding, “They are going to come after you and I don’t know how to answer that.”


***The Jury found evidence to link him to the crime. And they have spoken.
And for the sake of the children and the families involved, they nailed it.

 M00

 

[tlcya]

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On the State's side you have critical missing evidence (lost gas station footage, taped-over interviews), discovery repeatedly not turned over by deadline or (in some cases) at all, Click convinced they had the wrong guy, 3 other people who have allegedly confessed to being involved in the crime in some way who were in (in my non-expert opinion) less psychologically fragile states than RA at the time of his - KK, EF, and now RL. And the Court blocking any attempt to present the whole picture to a jury.

you mean this guy?

Todd Click is a former Rushville police officer and was part of the Delphi investigation. Now, he's facing felony misconduct charges related to his work as a Department of Child Services case manager. Investigators say he lied about visiting victims and families and forged signatures on paperwork.
Possible key defense witness in Delphi murders faces legal troubles

Seems like the other investigators and the prosecution correctly assessed Mr. Click's complete lack of credibility.

 

[FrostedGlass]

this is a genuine question because I honestly don’t understand the logic when people try and blame RL.

That new video we saw is clearly not RL walking behind Abby would you agree to that?

The old images of BG and the new ones are basically the same one. AFAICT, the only difference is the angle of the bridge. When that image first came out, there were many who were firmly convinced that RL was BG. That was hotly debated.
MOO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I think you understand the point I was discussing about bridge guy's pace. If you asked Abigail William's mother, it would be interesting to know if she thinks Abby would stop and stand on one of those platforms?

It is all speculation as there is nothing documented after the 2:07pm picture taken of Abigail Williams by Liberty German at platform 3. It could be that Abby was moving very slowly and Libby was helping her across at Abby's pace. But no one knows for sure how quickly they moved across the bridge at different points.

What the video shows me is that both Abby and Libby were aware of bridge guy's (Richard Allen's) presence on the bridge before the video ever started. If we make the assumption for a second that Libby is always ahead of Abby on the bridge, I still wonder about the timing. Did Abby stop and turn around to look at bridge guy and that is how she knew he was there? Did Abby gain up to Libby and talk to Libby standing next to her about bridge guy? Did Libby turn around or stop on a platform and tell Abby from a distance that there was a person walking on the bridge behind her? Then she continued ahead to get to the end before Abby.

It is interesting to wonder about how and where they knew about bridge guy being on the bridge.

There is zero evidence that Libby and Abby knew what they were walking into that day. None. Zero. Yes, it was discussed at times earlier in this case but that was then, this is now.
None of this is of any consequence in this case. None. Zero.
All the nitpicking about minutes and walking pace is ridiculous in my opinion.
I’m going to call it like I see it. This is just a perpetuation of the defense’s false, misleading, lying tactic of twisting things for public consumption, in hopes somehow to free a convicted child murderer. It continues today.
A lot of people on this thread claim they think RA is guilty or think he is probably guilty, yet these same people seem to be rooting for the defense to succeed in freeing this man.
Why? Why are they on the same side as YouTube people who laugh at these children’s last moments and don’t care a lick about crime scene photos being released.
Here’s a short list of reasons that do NOT prove RA’s innocence.
—prison conditions do not make RA innocent
—wishful thinking by defense attorneys does not make RA innocent
—wonky iPhones death spiraling on a cold wet night and morning does not make RA innocent
—RA’s size does not make him innocent
—how fast the girls walked across the bridge does not make RA innocent
I’ll stop there, though I could go on.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

you mean this guy?

Todd Click is a former Rushville police officer and was part of the Delphi investigation. Now, he's facing felony misconduct charges related to his work as a Department of Child Services case manager. Investigators say he lied about visiting victims and families and forged signatures on paperwork.
Possible key defense witness in Delphi murders faces legal troubles

Seems like the other investigators and the prosecution correctly assessed Mr. Click's complete lack of credibility.

Click also testified under oath at the three day hearing that despite he and his cohorts best efforts, they could not place any of those pagan folk in Delphi that day. Case closed on that fraud.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I'll wait for the court transcripts, exhibits, and appeal process.

Just one thing, one fact that points to RA’s innocence as things stand right now. I’d like to hear it.

 

[tlcya]

 

[StarryStarryNight]

<modsnip> I take issue with the notion that people who express concern with multiple angles of this case are "pro-RA." Pro-justice is not the same thing as pro-RA. Plenty of people here have offered evidence backing their concern at every step in this process, myself included.

Justice has been served here in my opinion.
Please explain to me, the bloodthirsty neanderthal, what injustice you believe has been committed here.

 

[statt#1]

MOO
If he was home but can't prove it, that doesn't mean he's guilty. According to court docs, the car believed to be his parked at the old CPS building was not seen after ~2:15. BB claimed to have seen a totally different vehicle there. If his car wasn't there, it's likely that he wasn't either.

All I'm sayin' is, not a person has come forth on his behalf with these ideas. Nobody that I know of. Would a person not come forth and say it? Something like...HEY, he was shootin' pool with us over at the xyz club, or....I have a receipt showing he bought a pizza.....or any such potential scenario. Not even he himself has said it...that he was somewhere else that day, at that time. The only logical conclusion for this ole boy is....he wasn't somewhere else.

If I were home, but couldn't prove it, I'd still be screaming that fact to all who would hear it. I don't think he's ever made that claim.