GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #219

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you mean this guy?

Todd Click is a former Rushville police officer and was part of the Delphi investigation. Now, he's facing felony misconduct charges related to his work as a Department of Child Services case manager. Investigators say he lied about visiting victims and families and forged signatures on paperwork.
Possible key defense witness in Delphi murders faces legal troubles

Seems like the other investigators and the prosecution correctly assessed Mr. Click's complete lack of credibility.
I'm guessing he might not be the only one with ties to this case who have legal problems. TC's case is still pending and I'll consider him and any others innocent until proven guilty.
MOO
 
I'm guessing he might not be the only one with ties to this case who have legal problems. TC's case is still pending and I'll consider him and any others innocent until proven guilty.
MOO
and if he is convicted in his criminal trial (like RA was) there will still be those who don't trust the conviction because there wasn't enough transparency, or because it is part of some larger conspiracy against RA. IMO the goalposts to proving RA's guilty continue to be moved by some.
 
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and if he is convicted in his criminal trial (like RA was) there will still be those who don't trust the conviction because there wasn't enough transparency, or because it is part of some larger conspiracy against RA. IMO the goalposts to proving RA's guilty continue to be moved by some.
I don't see how TC's DCS case has a lot to do with RA's conviction. I guess there are a number of folks who will consider him to be just another dirty cop. If he's guilty, he's guilty. shrugs...
 
A good refresher article in which TC himself claims the Defense was twisting his words.


From TC’s own statement to TMS:

Secondly, no one in law enforcement believes Abby and Libby were killed in a ritual sacrifice. That is the defense twisting facts for sensationalism.
 
All I'm sayin' is, not a person has come forth on his behalf with these ideas. Nobody that I know of. Would a person not come forth and say it? Something like...HEY, he was shootin' pool with us over at the xyz club, or....I have a receipt showing he bought a pizza.....or any such potential scenario. Not even he himself has said it...that he was somewhere else that day, at that time. The only logical conclusion for this ole boy is....he wasn't somewhere else.

If I were home, but couldn't prove it, I'd still be screaming that fact to all who would hear it. I don't think he's ever made that claim.
It’s not just those details - he only reported seeing the group of girls at FB & no one else out on the trails. Not even a doppelgänger wearing similar clothing.

Of course it gets a bit fishy when during one interview RA states he was there from 1:30-3:30 then changes that to 12:30-1:30 a few years later & by then the cell phone he was allegedly using disappeared.

JMO
 
There is zero evidence that Libby and Abby knew what they were walking into that day. None. Zero. Yes, it was discussed at times earlier in this case but that was then, this is now.
None of this is of any consequence in this case. None. Zero.
All the nitpicking about minutes and walking pace is ridiculous in my opinion.
I’m going to call it like I see it. This is just a perpetuation of the defense’s false, misleading, lying tactic of twisting things for public consumption, in hopes somehow to free a convicted child murderer. It continues today.
A lot of people on this thread claim they think RA is guilty or think he is probably guilty, yet these same people seem to be rooting for the defense to succeed in freeing this man.
Why? Why are they on the same side as YouTube people who laugh at these children’s last moments and don’t care a lick about crime scene photos being released.
Here’s a short list of reasons that do NOT prove RA’s innocence.
—prison conditions do not make RA innocent
—wishful thinking by defense attorneys does not make RA innocent
—wonky iPhones death spiraling on a cold wet night and morning does not make RA innocent
—RA’s size does not make him innocent
—how fast the girls walked across the bridge does not make RA innocent
I’ll stop there, though I could go on.
BAM!!!!
 
I think, if I were RA, I would want to start crossing when both of the girls were busy with crossing the bridge themselves, facing away from me. It seems reasonably clear that Libby was crossing in front of Abby, presumably to give her confidence. If I was walking ahead of a friend who was slower, I would probably use the platforms to wait for them to catch up a bit, so they don't get too discouraged and panic.

I don't think if I were Abby I would be looking behind me. I would be fully focused on my next step and where my friend is. I also might not want to stop at a platform, because I might not feel safe changing directions so high up, and I might not want to get back on the bridge if I did stop.

If I were RA, stalking behind Abby, I would think I was sneaking up on the girls with Abby only looking ahead. He might not be able to see Libby clearly to notice that she is crossing more confidently than her friend.

So I think it's Libby who would first see they are not alone, the next time she paused to wait for Abby and look back to check how she is getting on. But Abby may have heard footsteps coming up behind her, too.
Based on Libby's position at the end of the bridge when the video started and bridge guy being seen right at platform 6 in the video, I would theorize that bridge guy began to dictate the pace to move Abby and Libby along once he got to platform 5. It is my opinion the girls would not want him to get any closer before moving as quickly themselves. Based on bridge guy's pace he would make it from platform 5 to the end in about 1 minute 15 seconds. Whatever happened between platforms 3 to 5 is a guess in terms of time. All we know is the 2:07 posted snapchat picture of Abigail Williams by Liberty German at platform 3 looking towards the northwest with no one on the platforms in the background.

It will always be difficult to determine what the girls were thinking on the bridge. In my opinion, in the video, at the beginning Abigail Williams says, "Is he behind me?" or "Is he by me?" This is why I think bridge guy was dictating the pace if Libby noticed him behind Abby when she got to platform 6.
 
you mean this guy?

Todd Click is a former Rushville police officer and was part of the Delphi investigation. Now, he's facing felony misconduct charges related to his work as a Department of Child Services case manager. Investigators say he lied about visiting victims and families and forged signatures on paperwork.
Possible key defense witness in Delphi murders faces legal troubles

Seems like the other investigators and the prosecution correctly assessed Mr. Click's complete lack of credibility.
I do mean that guy. We'll see what comes of that in May unless it's otherwise postponed.
 
Just one thing, one fact that points to RA’s innocence as things stand right now. I’d like to hear it.
That the only thing that points to his guilt is that he voluntarily told LE immediately after the crime that he was there that day. Along with many other people. So many, in fact, that there are multiple sketches, none of whom resemble RA IMO. I want to read the court transcripts, so I reserve the right to change my mind thereafter. But "he was on the bridge that day" on a timeline that cannot be accurately pinned down isn't enough for me.
 
Also, I don't find the disappearance of a cell phone odd. We have so many devices in this house from over the year. I have a nerd husband who repurposes the old phones for new things. But we've certainly trashed one or two over the years. One of mine had an entirely shattered screen. Replacing it would be tedious. So goodbye to that phone.
 
Also, I don't find the disappearance of a cell phone odd. We have so many devices in this house from over the year. I have a nerd husband who repurposes the old phones for new things. But we've certainly trashed one or two over the years. One of mine had an entirely shattered screen. Replacing it would be tedious. So goodbye to that phone.
Just that phone not the shoe boxes of other phones.
Such a coincidence its the only phone that mattered.
 
The judge's finding of lack of nexus is confusing. There was RL and BW; was nexus lacking there? While RL's case was cleared, I have yet to find anything about his alibi from the time he left the transfer station and when he left for the fish store. The other one couldn't make up his mind about his arrival time and his bullet couldn't be excluded. How about EF's confession?

I won't be sure about how the defense failed with poor cross until I see the actual court transcripts. I imagine Nick shouted out a lot of objections, which the judge sustained.
MOO

there is literally no evidence against BW? How is that even a credible alt suspect?

The D never argued BW. Nor did they ever introduce the supposed odinist confession to the sister into evidence.

No judge would have allowed that one IMO
 
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there is literally no evidence against BW? How is that even a credible alt suspect?

The D never argued BW. Nor did they ever introduce the supposed odinist confession to the sister into evidence.

No judge would have allowed that one IMO
They briefly searched his property; did they even look for evidence after that? He changed his story a couple of times, he lived close to the murder scene, his gun couldn't be ruled out.

I admit I'm confused when it comes to nexus.
 
Based on Libby's position at the end of the bridge when the video started and bridge guy being seen right at platform 6 in the video, I would theorize that bridge guy began to dictate the pace to move Abby and Libby along once he got to platform 5. It is my opinion the girls would not want him to get any closer before moving as quickly themselves. Based on bridge guy's pace he would make it from platform 5 to the end in about 1 minute 15 seconds. Whatever happened between platforms 3 to 5 is a guess in terms of time. All we know is the 2:07 posted snapchat picture of Abigail Williams by Liberty German at platform 3 looking towards the northwest with no one on the platforms in the background.

It will always be difficult to determine what the girls were thinking on the bridge. In my opinion, in the video, at the beginning Abigail Williams says, "Is he behind me?" or "Is he by me?" This is why I think bridge guy was dictating the pace if Libby noticed him behind Abby when she got to platform 6.

Have fun with this….
 
Every other witness has been raked over the coals online. Let's look at Richard Allen, as a witness.

He says he was there from 1:30-3:30, later changes it to noon to 1:30 but can't back the latter up with anything. And witnesses who WERE there during that time frame didn't report seeing him nor anyone dressed like him.

He said he left but didn't follow the trails back to his car. A witness saw a man dressed like him along the road on a route he could have taken.

He says he saw 3 juveniles, says babysitting, describes one with long hair. There was only one group at the time, with 4. Did he lie? Miscount? Not count the little one being babysat? Not see the 4th? It's not like he saw a different group of 3. They saw him. And importantly, they saw him as they were leaving, which puts him there shortly before Abby and Libby arrive and during BB's third loop.

Richard Allen put himself on the first platform which BB corroborated. And her course intersected Abby and Libby, as they approached the bridge.

Richard Allen claimed he did not see Abby and Libby. We could believe him. Or we could question that. He might have reason to lie. (Understatement.) He claimed he didn't cross the bridge, but sat on a bench. How did he miss the girls then? Was looking at his stock ticker and missed them walking past him?

He identified himself in the image released by LE, wearing the same clothes, and qualifying it, "wasn't me if it came from the girls' camera". If. That means that there are conditions under which it is him.

Just like the other witnesses, the veracity of their testimony is checked against corroboration.

Some of what Richard Allen described, and his movements during the critical time frame, are supported by corroboration.

And the ones that aren't? One has to ask why.

They directly implicate him for murder.

Prior to his confessions of course.

Lied about when he left. No one (besides Abby and Libby who filmed him) saw him between 2:14 and 3:30. Lied about not seeing Abby and Libby, when he was absolutely on course to see them, per BB's consistent testimony, verified by her fitness tracker and synced with the girls' arrival and movements.

Why lie about that if he's innocent?

But what about BG?

What can Richard Allen tell us about BG? The other witnesses had various vantage points and life experiences and described BG slightly differently but all agreed that the man they saw was the one in the released photo. Richard Allen also saw a man in blue jeans, wearing a blue or black Carhartt jacket. Himself. He saw no other people, nobody dressed like himself. No twin near the first platform. Just his sorry self.

The one who confessed to the murders.
The one who confessed to seeing the girls, claiming he thought they were older.
The one who confessed to intending to SA them.
The one who confessed to "waiting to make sure they didn't suffer" (there's a critical detail only the killer would know, that they didn't die immediately).
The one who confessed to using a boxcutter which ultimately accounted for the peculiarities of the girls' savage injuries.
The one who confessed to day drinking, who provided a timeline that fit, leaving Peru, buying beer, going home, then to the bridge.
The one who said he was interrupted by a vehicle he saw and heard, which caused him to panic and make adjustments.
The one who admitted to having his gun with him after all.
The one who was desperate to have validation from his wife and mother, despite what he'd done.

In the end, Richard Allen proved to be a tremendous witness for the State in criminal trial against Richard Allen.

Resulting in his own conviction.

130 years.

The same number of years he stole from two little girls.

He's the throwaway.

Abby and Libby should still be here, living their best lives, becoming everything they wanted to be.

JMO
THANK YOU! The timeline is absolutely damning. I didn't remember but the poor witnesses were all harassed and treated as POI by armchair detectives during years. Minus Allen now, the only "witness" who put himself there at the right place with the right clothes, saw the witnesses who saw the BG and describe them, exactly in place they saw BG, put himself on the first platform where a witness saw BG, never saw BG, changed his timeline, lelft an unsepent bullet, lie to his wife, didn't say to her he was at the bridge (just on the trails), the only phone that he"lost" was his 2017 phone, his car was seen at the CPS at the right time, the confessions (and after westville), the van thing (even if the timeline isn't 100% accurate by a few minutes, THERE WAS A VAN around that time and only the killer would know that), etc etc. What an unlucky "witness". Right....

Just a note. I don't think I've mentioned it yet but I noticed that Richard Allen in one of interviews with the police and denying what he did, said in that day he went to his mother's house, didn't lunch with them, went to home, bundled up and went to the trails for a walk. His confession is almost the same but with more details (and the truth of what he really did).
 
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I think you understand the point I was discussing about bridge guy's pace. If you asked Abigail William's mother, it would be interesting to know if she thinks Abby would stop and stand on one of those platforms?

It is all speculation as there is nothing documented after the 2:07pm picture taken of Abigail Williams by Liberty German at platform 3. It could be that Abby was moving very slowly and Libby was helping her across at Abby's pace. But no one knows for sure how quickly they moved across the bridge at different points.

What the video shows me is that both Abby and Libby were aware of bridge guy's (Richard Allen's) presence on the bridge before the video ever started. If we make the assumption for a second that Libby is always ahead of Abby on the bridge, I still wonder about the timing. Did Abby stop and turn around to look at bridge guy and that is how she knew he was there? Did Abby gain up to Libby and talk to Libby standing next to her about bridge guy? Did Libby turn around or stop on a platform and tell Abby from a distance that there was a person walking on the bridge behind her? Then she continued ahead to get to the end before Abby.

It is interesting to wonder about how and where they knew about bridge guy being on the bridge.
I'm still not understanding why it interests or even matters? They were two kids in a stressful and scary situation. And still one of them thought to say, "Hi". That's all I need to know to understand about how uneven the field was that day. What really matters is one human being's decision. One he freely admitted to making. He decided to take the young lives of the girls away forever. It also matters that he's been incarcerated for the rest of his life, never to harm another child. AJMO
 
He confessed to the crime, more than 60 times, including to his wife, his mother, the psychologist who treated him, the warden, and other prison employees and inmates. They played audio recordings of some of the confessions for the jury.
 
IMO
If you're talking about MW, losing their licenses is not likely. It takes a lot for that to happen.
Remember... 3 other attys testified for the defense and 8 other ones signed affidavits. I'm not sure why the judge dragged Rozzi into the MW mess; he had nothing to do with it.

The three day contempt hearing
Couldn't agree less. JMO
 
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