GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #219

[INfisherman]

And this is Delphi, Indiana. Perhaps her frame of reference was that she didn't pay attention to race. But would have registered if it was notable. It wasn't notable, had to be white.

I can't imagine being a teen, encountering someone, never imagining you'd have to describe them, and then having to. Same with SC. It's not really stored as a photograph. More like an impression.

JMO

I don’t disagree with your thoughts but was considering them almost verbatim. No judgement/criticism towards you at all but AB has made the entire state seem like a bunch of backward rednecks as such that I wasn’t going to go there.

I was hoping he was going to start twirling his little rune twigs out in the woods during their segment at the crime scene & was shocked Rozzi didn’t have an iron maiden or drawing & quartering device sitting in the background.

MOO

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Timing like the defense "wanting to apologize" for the leaks but never doing as such or making filings of their own on the anniversary of the murders? Yeah the wonder.

JMO

I did watch this latest Dateline episode last evening too. The effort by the three defense counsel…….. IMO I would like to have seen some specific evidence from them on all their statements. IMO they seemed rather confident in their responses. And it appeared they were over scripted. But not particularly convincing or substantive. SMH. MOO

 

[INfisherman]

your conclusion pretty much concurs with the point i was trying to make!

Just for humor - go ahead & throw him in the BG attire just to be sure the estimates are as accurate as possible. LOL

 

[INfisherman]

I did watch this latest Dateline episode last evening too. The effort by the three defense counsel…….. IMO I would like to have seen some specific evidence from them on all their statements. IMO they seemed rather confident in their responses. And it appeared they were over scripted. But not particularly convincing or substantive. SMH. MOO

True, but one can’t show what doesn’t exist - they’d have been more effective going out snipe hunting over in the fields by the cemetery in that regard.

Of course they sound confident, that’s what they do for a living. Pretend they know about ballistics, pagan religions, sometimes even the law. In most instances they’d probably feel just fine serving as their own witnesses during trial but all of that that is a far cry from actually knowing about what one is talking. While I do agree with your assessment, it’s mostly typical lawyering in front of the cameras. Their lips are moving but the whole truth hasn’t quite passed between them. Prosecutors can be the same in some instances.

JMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

BW saw his hair & during trial RV (yes, different witness) said he wore a face covering of some sort - I would assume the 3 holed traditional burglar mask would be a bit too suspicious for public use but a neck gaiter or scarf wouldn’t be as sus. Skin is still visible through most face coverings. Didn’t get a good look at a face may simply mean one doesn’t get a long enough look to offer a detailed description but was able to tell the ethnicity. Not that hard to imagine. The BG pic looks pretty much as BW describes.

MOO

In the article I posted, I don't see where she said she saw his hair. She said: "He had his hood up from the clothing underneath the jacket."

 

[INfisherman]

In the article I posted, I don't see where she said she saw his hair. She said: "He had his hood up from the clothing underneath the jacket."

My apologies, it wasn’t BW, it was AS & is on the bottom of what I believe is the first page of the PCA - maybe pg 8 of the whole PDF, if my counting & memory aren’t both failing me.

 

[Megnut]

If time had favored Abby and Libby, by mere minutes, on the one side of the minute hand, they might have been safe, bundled into the group of girls. Or on the other hand, saved by BB whose presence might have swayed RA away.

Would he have lay in wait all day, hoping for an ambush? Had he done it before? Set out to MHB to get away from his mom and KA and look for little girls.

It's so awful to imagine the timeline -- RA driving back from Peru, getting beer, while Abby and Libby are having pancakes and getting restless. RA gets to MHB. The girls get to MHB. Less than an hour later they're bleeding out.

Meek Lil Ricky probably felt all big and mighty.

What a corrupt human being.

JMO

 

[Arkay]

If time had favored Abby and Libby, by mere minutes, on the one side of the minute hand, they might have been safe, bundled into the group of girls. Or on the other hand, saved by BB whose presence might have swayed RA away.

Yes, and I feel this way about every stranger murder. (Not a domestic case where the opportunity is always there, unfortunately).

A minute here, a minute there, would save so many victims. If a woman were jogging on a path five minutes later, if someone chose a different direction that day, if the weather was bad and they returned home…whatever it may be.

Here we have the evil perfect storm scenario. They were trapped. Minutes could have made the entire difference, but for A and L there was no escape that day at that time.

I haven’t watched the Dateline because as some of you have stated, for those of us who’ve been immersed in this over the years, I don’t know if there’s anything worthwhile or really new in this. I have it taped so I’ll see.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

Just for humor - go ahead & throw him in the BG attire just to be sure the estimates are as accurate as possible. LOL

Or let him speak, that is his voice.

 

[al66pine]

I think the Dateline episode would have been better if they had, in hand, the discovery they asked for. Judge Gull said in her recent order Dateline sent an email on Jan 8, 2025 requesting discovery. I wonder if the email included plans to have a Dateline segment. The fact that she waited to issue her order until 2 days before the segment was scheduled to air makes me wonder about her timing.
MOO

_Order on Feb 18, 2025.pdf

drive.google.com

@FrostedGlass

Okay, agreeing that Dateline episode MAY have been "better if they had, in hand, the discovery they asked for" but not sure as I have not watched it yet.

Unusual or delayed TIMING of judge's order, as OP suggests?

Conviction on Nov. 11, 2024 & sentencing on Dec. 20, 2024.
If Dateline NBC was planning to air a Delphi trial follow up (could there be a question about that), say ~ Feb 21, is there a reason for failing to request the Public Trial Exhibits until either -
- the initial Jan. 8 EMAIL request to the court, or
- the actual Feb. 3 MOTION filed w court,
just a couple weeks before the planned air-date?

Without reviewing statutory specifics of IN. "Access to Public Records" act and application to state court records, I gotta think the folks involved w Dateline NBC production made some ASSumptions in phrasing these requests.
From ¶4 of Judge Gull's order re NBC's requested "priority requests" seems clear to me, that NBC did not cite authority which was/could have been a basis for such a demand.

From the order's findings (¶9 & other ¶'s) about the requests being "overbroad, vague and not specific," it seems that some of the requests were rather hastily drafted.

Personally I don't think there was necessarily a deliberate delay and do not know of anything suspicious about the timing of the judge's order.

Reminds me of an old saying :
Poor planning on your [Dateline NBC's] part does NOT constitute an emergency on my [the Court's] part.
jmo
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[steeltowngirl]

Timing like the defense "wanting to apologize" for the leaks but never doing as such or making filings of their own on the anniversary of the murders? Yeah the wonder.

JMO

I thought Baldwin said something on Dateline that he’d like to apologize about the leak in person to the Patty’s. No mention of AW. And he didn’t say whether he asked to meet with them and they declined, or what transpired, if anything.

 

[susane7]

He saw them they saw him, there is no question on that.
The jury made their judgement on many pieces of evidence and timeline.

Exactly. I don't understand the problem. In the last episode of the Prosecutors about Daniel LaPlante they talked about how before he killed a family, he was living secretly behind a "fake" wall in a house from other family. When the family, the couple and the 2 or 3 kids/teenagers found out about him they all gave their descriptions of the man/teenager to the police. Guess what, the descriptions were all completely different but of course it was just 1 man/teenager living secretly in their house, nor 3 or 4 different man.

In Delphi, the teenagers from a group saw ONE MAN at the same time at the same place and describe him differently but it was just 1 man like they said. Then there is a video and they said that's the man they saw. Then, one man, saying he was dressed similiar the man in the video, said he saw the group of the girls at the same place at the same time that the girls said, said one of the girls seemed she was babysitting (she was) her sisters (correct) and describe her. He didn't see anyone else.

Then 1 witness said she saw a man from a few distance in the first platform and again despite the descrption it is different, said it was the man in the video. Then the same man who saw the girls said he was at the first platform. For me, it is absolutely clear. The Man=RA=BG.

 

[INfisherman]

Or let him speak, that is his voice.

Agreed. As bad as this may initially sound, I’d rather hear him speak than those who represent him or are self-proclaimed advocates of his. Those folks have done enough talking for him. Time to put the big boy pants on & be a man, if even for a minute but he won’t because he’s a coward & that last bit of control gets him off somehow. He’s pathetic.

MOO

 

[INfisherman]

I thought Baldwin said something on Dateline that he’d like to apologize about the leak in person to the Patty’s. No mention of AW. And he didn’t say whether he asked to meet with them and they declined, or what transpired, if anything.

I don’t believe a word that passes through his lips when it comes to this case or his feelings regarding the families of the victims.

 

[al66pine]

Judge's Order re Access to Trial Exhibits. Sarcastic?

Jeez...her responses seem unnecessarily sarcastic. JMO

@Vaderman Thx for your post.

If it refers to the Order re Dateline Motion re Trial Exhibits, not sure, but maybe my sarcasm detector is on the fritz.

Maybe ^ post speaks more to the order's tone, not the outcome --- ¶23 on receiving "a particularized, specific request for an actual exhibit introduced in the jury trial" the court & reporter will set aside "dates and time to consider and accommodate appropriately."
Then almost verbatim: The court & reporter cannot guess at what is being requested.
But the judge did NOT DENY these requests.

One request was the "43-second cell phone video clip recorded by Liberty German" ¶11 in the Order. Seems a critical recording like that played at trial would be more readily retrieved even w'out an Exhibit Identifier. Maybe not.

The other requests? IDK either.
jmo
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Judge Gull's Feb 18, 2825 Order.

_Order on Feb 18, 2025.pdf

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[mrjitty]

MOO
A record for appeal is just that. He's trying to get the Ricci issue settled one way or another.

I don't watch Motta as a rule so I'm not aware of any conspiratorial comments you're referring to. However, after the lengthy parade of folks making their way to TMS, I'm not clutching my pearls over Baldwin's appearance on DD.

Right but does Nick file motions then race to a podcast to talk about them?

Of course not because what does it have to do with the case?

Baldwin is just satiating his own desire to be relevant IMO. that stuff helps RA not at all. And i say the same about MAs ‘work’ on every youtube show he can find.

MOO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Or let him speak, that is his voice.

Agreed, and a carbon copy of his physical stature. IMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

MOO
A record for appeal is just that. He's trying to get the Ricci issue settled one way or another.

I don't watch Motta as a rule so I'm not aware of any conspiratorial comments you're referring to. However, after the lengthy parade of folks making their way to TMS, I'm not clutching my pearls over Baldwin's appearance on DD.

I think there's been a more lengthy parade of folks appearing on DD than TMS. At least those TMS has interviewed have spoken to the questions and issues at hand and not gone off on some unproven, conspiratorial fallacies.

The interviews of Baldwin and Rozzi have completely different tones even on DD IMO. Rozzi being much less accusatory and fanatical and tending to stick to and answer the questions being asked, while Baldwin drifts off into conspiratorial rants along with the hosts encouragements.

I think Baldwin's responses and anger comes from embarrassment over his own misconduct in this case being exposed. He's in a defensive revenge mode from what I've read of the transcripts of his interviews. I can't listen to DD as BM and AM constantly interrupt and talk over each other and their guests. I'd rather read the transcripts of any of the interviews than listen to the Podcasts regardless of them being Pro Defense or Prosecution.

'Pearl Clutching' went out the window on this case the day RA was arrested, especially after the D's Franks Memo, CS photo leaks, the D's Gimmiemoney fund, the SM cranks, and the Due Process Gang's behavior.

JMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

Right but does Nick file motions then race to a podcast to talk about them?

Of course not because what does it have to do with the case?

Baldwin is just satiating his own desire to be relevant IMO. that stuff helps RA not at all. And i say the same about MAs ‘work’ on every youtube show he can find.

MOO.

Maybe they're envisioning a book deal when this is over. Nothing wrong with that?

 

[INfisherman]

That book would be coming soon to the nearest fiction aisle of a bookstore near you. AB’s been practicing with about every motion he’s authored up to this point. Probably in a giant, oversized hardcover edition in order to fit his signature inside the pages & includes a free signed & framed poster sized print of the MHB too.

MOO