GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #219

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To be fair, you’re comparing courts for a town of 3k to a city 78 times larger (235k). Employee numbers are limited in the smaller court, I’m sure & that’s likely where the bottleneck is in getting things organized & filed, right, wrong or indifferent.

I’m not excusing JG’s lack of wording or personal work but she’s been done with the 3 attorneys ever since the CS photo leaks & AB apparently just can’t stop poking the hornet nest.

MOO

While I agree, it doesn't really explain why she doesn't author proper opinions and holdings.
 
While I agree, it doesn't really explain why she doesn't author proper opinions and holdings.
Thanks for responding - I wasn’t intending to imply I disagreed with all of your thoughts at all, just a possible consideration for the evidence delays.

I agree with you 100% concerning her brevity & tried to offer one possible reason for it in my reply above in that she was just over the antics of the defense, but that really doesn’t serve for a good reason as she should probably take the higher road in that regard, simply for the sake of appearances (unbiased).

Who really knows for sure? One would likely have to dig into other cases from her court in Allen County to get a better idea, I’d think.

MOO
 
I noticed something in the PCA. The height of bridge guy has always been a question. Richard Allen is 5 feet, 4 inches tall. The PCA said that bridge guy was probably not taller than 5 foot, 10 inches. I know Richard Allen was convicted by a jury who thinks he is bridge guy from the photograph and video.

The witness who took the 1:26pm photograph of a bench said that she advised that her head came up to approximately his (bridge guy's) shoulder. The average human head is about 8 - 9 inches from bottom to top (without considering the neck).

This would mean the juvenile witness who took the 1:26pm photograph would be approximately 4 feet, 7 inches or 4 feet, 8 inches tall? I know this is not completely scientific.

If anyone knows who the juvenile witness was who took the 1:26pm photograph of the bench, how old were they on February 13th, 2017? How tall was this witness on February 13th, 2017? If it was a young juvenile, maybe they were around 4 feet, 8 inches tall and this would be at least one unscientific way to get close to the actual height of the bridge guy from Liberty German's phone video.
If a pair of juvenile witnesses are walking down a trail, and they see a random guy walking by, how accurate are thy going to be in estimating his height?

It is not an easy thing to do, especially if there was no engagement or interactions between them. And there was no reason for them to spontaneously make that assessment. He was just a passerby.

So to be asked about it days later, how accurate is a height estimate going to be?
 
if i was RA and genuine in my innocence - i'd be up on that bridge recreating the BG vid to show everyone how i didn't actually match the video.

i'm guessing that course of action was available to him??

The Defense wants RA nowhere near that bridge!

Imo the image was not suitable for scientific standards of comparison in a study to be used as an absolute conclusion.

There are lots of articles on line explaining the scientific process of comparisons.

There’s also that what is the defense to do if a comparison says it’s RA’s height?

That is the last thing they need is BG is RA’s height for sure by confirmation from the experimental results that along with RA always saying he was there and forced them down the hill.

They are defending him not making the states case it’s him.

All imo
 
The Defense wants RA nowhere near that bridge!

Imo the image was not suitable for scientific standards of comparison in a study to be used as an absolute conclusion.

There are lots of articles on line explaining the scientific process of comparisons.

There’s also that what is the defense to do if a comparison says it’s RA’s height?

That is the last thing they need is BG is RA’s height for sure by confirmation from the experimental results that along with RA always saying he was there and forced them down the hill.

They are defending him not making the states case it’s him.

All imo
your conclusion pretty much concurs with the point i was trying to make!
 
I noticed something in the PCA. The height of bridge guy has always been a question. Richard Allen is 5 feet, 4 inches tall. The PCA said that bridge guy was probably not taller than 5 foot, 10 inches. I know Richard Allen was convicted by a jury who thinks he is bridge guy from the photograph and video.

The witness who took the 1:26pm photograph of a bench said that she advised that her head came up to approximately his (bridge guy's) shoulder. The average human head is about 8 - 9 inches from bottom to top (without considering the neck).

This would mean the juvenile witness who took the 1:26pm photograph would be approximately 4 feet, 7 inches or 4 feet, 8 inches tall? I know this is not completely scientific.

If anyone knows who the juvenile witness was who took the 1:26pm photograph of the bench, how old were they on February 13th, 2017? How tall was this witness on February 13th, 2017? If it was a young juvenile, maybe they were around 4 feet, 8 inches tall and this would be at least one unscientific way to get close to the actual height of the bridge guy from Liberty German's phone video.
This doc, page 9, is a good place to start your search. IMO, it's highly unlikely that witness was 4' 8" tall in 2017. You have a good idea but I really don't think it would have mattered, considering the way stories changed from the original interviews to the trial.

I've always wondered if the timestamp on the picture was confirmed to be accurate since they didn't find it until 2020. Another point: this witness was the one who said he had his hands in his pockets, head down, didn't get a good look at his face but believed he was a white male. What led her to that conclusion? An assumption based on his clothing? His height?
 
Curious to hear opinions from anyone who might have watched the Dateline episode mentioned above. Anyone?

ETA No, it probably wasn’t overly informative for those who followed the case closely for any length of time.
I thought it was well done, and a decent overview for those not already familiar with the case. It was mostly concise with facts and presented the alternate third-party theories without leaning in too much. Maybe a bit dramatic with the RL topic. His ex-girlfriend received a significant amount of air time. I would have appreciated hearing exactly how LE ruled him out. Because I followed the case, I know about the fish store, but that didn’t come up on Dateline, or perhaps I missed it.

One item I had not heard before was that Libby had shared with others that the anthony_shots profile had asked for nude pictures.

I had wondered if KA would be interviewed. She was not. I assume she declined. If it were me, I’d want to get out there and declare my husband’s innocence (if I believed in it.)

jmo
 
is it an important part of his job to file the Ricci motion with dozens of bullet points of speculation then run on to Mottas show to make conspiratorial comments?

How does that make a record for appeal?

MOO
MOO
A record for appeal is just that. He's trying to get the Ricci issue settled one way or another.

I don't watch Motta as a rule so I'm not aware of any conspiratorial comments you're referring to. However, after the lengthy parade of folks making their way to TMS, I'm not clutching my pearls over Baldwin's appearance on DD.
 
I noticed something in the PCA. The height of bridge guy has always been a question. Richard Allen is 5 feet, 4 inches tall. The PCA said that bridge guy was probably not taller than 5 foot, 10 inches. I know Richard Allen was convicted by a jury who thinks he is bridge guy from the photograph and video.

The witness who took the 1:26pm photograph of a bench said that she advised that her head came up to approximately his (bridge guy's) shoulder. The average human head is about 8 - 9 inches from bottom to top (without considering the neck).

This would mean the juvenile witness who took the 1:26pm photograph would be approximately 4 feet, 7 inches or 4 feet, 8 inches tall? I know this is not completely scientific.

If anyone knows who the juvenile witness was who took the 1:26pm photograph of the bench, how old were they on February 13th, 2017? How tall was this witness on February 13th, 2017? If it was a young juvenile, maybe they were around 4 feet, 8 inches tall and this would be at least one unscientific way to get close to the actual height of the bridge guy from Liberty German's phone video.
He saw them they saw him, there is no question on that.
The jury made their judgement on many pieces of evidence and timeline.
 
Curious to hear opinions from anyone who might have watched the Dateline episode mentioned above. Anyone?

ETA No, it probably wasn’t overly informative for those who followed the case closely for any length of time.
It was good for anyone not familiar with the case but didn't really bring much new to those who are familiar. I was hoping for interviews with RA's friends/family/coworkers, the interrogations, the phone calls.

From a storytelling point of view, they had a few whiffs. They didn't quite get the "payoffs" with the setups early on such as "the woman watching the news who urged her husband to tell police he was at the trails" or how the community came together for the families, "even a CVS worker produced photos for the funeral for free".
 
I think the Dateline episode would have been better if they had, in hand, the discovery they asked for. Judge Gull said in her recent order Dateline sent an email on Jan 8, 2025 requesting discovery. I wonder if the email included plans to have a Dateline segment. The fact that she waited to issue her order until 2 days before the segment was scheduled to air makes me wonder about her timing.
MOO
 
Another point: this witness was the one who said he had his hands in his pockets, head down, didn't get a good look at his face but believed he was a white male. What led her to that conclusion? An assumption based on his clothing? His height?
BW saw his hair & during trial RV (yes, different witness) said he wore a face covering of some sort - I would assume the 3 holed traditional burglar mask would be a bit too suspicious for public use but a neck gaiter or scarf wouldn’t be as sus. Skin is still visible through most face coverings. Didn’t get a good look at a face may simply mean one doesn’t get a long enough look to offer a detailed description but was able to tell the ethnicity. Not that hard to imagine. The BG pic looks pretty much as BW describes.

MOO
 
I think the Dateline episode would have been better if they had, in hand, the discovery they asked for. Judge Gull said in her recent order Dateline sent an email on Jan 8, 2025 requesting discovery. I wonder if the email included plans to have a Dateline segment. The fact that she waited to issue her order until 2 days before the segment was scheduled to air makes me wonder about her timing.
MOO
Jeez...her responses seem unnecessarily sarcastic. JMO
 
I think the Dateline episode would have been better if they had, in hand, the discovery they asked for. Judge Gull said in her recent order Dateline sent an email on Jan 8, 2025 requesting discovery. I wonder if the email included plans to have a Dateline segment. The fact that she waited to issue her order until 2 days before the segment was scheduled to air makes me wonder about her timing.
MOO
Believe it or not, the justice system does not cater to social media clicks and television ratings.
 
I think the Dateline episode would have been better if they had, in hand, the discovery they asked for. Judge Gull said in her recent order Dateline sent an email on Jan 8, 2025 requesting discovery. I wonder if the email included plans to have a Dateline segment. The fact that she waited to issue her order until 2 days before the segment was scheduled to air makes me wonder about her timing.
MOO
Timing like the defense "wanting to apologize" for the leaks but never doing as such or making filings of their own on the anniversary of the murders? Yeah the wonder.🙄

JMO
 
BW saw his hair & during trial RV (yes, different witness) said he wore a face covering of some sort - I would assume the 3 holed traditional burglar mask would be a bit too suspicious for public use but a neck gaiter or scarf wouldn’t be as sus. Skin is still visible through most face coverings. Didn’t get a good look at a face may simply mean one doesn’t get a long enough look to offer a detailed description but was able to tell the ethnicity. Not that hard to imagine. The BG pic looks pretty much as BW describes.

MOO
And this is Delphi, Indiana. Perhaps her frame of reference was that she didn't pay attention to race. But would have registered if it was notable. It wasn't notable, had to be white.

I can't imagine being a teen, encountering someone, never imagining you'd have to describe them, and then having to. Same with SC. It's not really stored as a photograph. More like an impression.

JMO
 
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