Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #198

[katydid23]

Yes, I'm aware of this fact...but for me that doesn't answer the question of 'how' LE would know he was interrupted by one of those other people, other than to have a record of the fact. From whence does that record come? A witness? A phone? Evidence on the bridge side of the creek?

I think LE pieced it together from interviews with various neighbours.

The clothing in the creek and on the bank was on the edge of the W's property. They were out of town but their adult son was interviewed. [probably as an initial possible suspect?]

He said he drove to his parent's empty home on the afternoon of the 13th. They have a long gravel driveway along the creek. SO I think RA might have heard that car from a ways away?

Gave him time to scramble across the creek up into the brush, leaving som clothing items behind at the bank of the creek. That car was a possible interruption initially. Then he gets them into that tucked away clearing, and possibly resumed his attempt? But soon he likely heard people calling the girl's names from the bridge area. That might have been the final interruption. IMO

Gave him just enough time to throw some branches and leaves on the remains and scurry off like a rat.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Oh yeah.....BAM!!!!
You laid it out crucially.

Yes, and I've missed your BAMS @Warwick7

I still believe the State has enough evidence to prove RA's guilt BARD.

MOO

 

[Warwick7]

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[Vern]

I wonder if this hair is even human?? Time will tell.

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[katydid23]

I never actually thought about a car approaching then as interrupting him...but that makes sense! I just assumed the girls made a run for it...

Could have been both---they hear a car on the gravel driveway---girls try to make a run for it but he puts the gun to Abby's head and forces them across the creek?

but your idea makes a lot more sense. The only other thing I heard at the time was the family in that house where the gravel roads goes to was in Florida for the winter.

Yes, but their son was actively checking on the home and had driven there on the 13th.

 

[mpnola]

I am still 20 pages behind, trying to catch up, so I apologize if I am repeating information. I think the courtroom is green and the juror was being a jerk. I don't think there was psychology behind it. I think they asked if there is a reason someone couldn't sit on the jury and he said I don't like green, meaning he didn't want to sit in the courtroom

 

[minazoe]

I wondered that at the very beginning of the case, but I don't think so now. I think he went home, showered, ate dinner, and went to bed. imo

jmo

he watched the news.

 

[SouthEnd]

I wonder if this hair is even human?? Time will tell.

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But during our interview with the sheriff days after the murder he told me and
@RayCortopassi
on LIVE TV they had DNA. Law enforcement then asked us to remove that information from our website saying the sheriff was speaking without full knowledge. This was 2017 days after the murder.

I am so curious as to why so early on LE wanted to stop the circulation of the 'hair' discussion. I lean towards the - 'the hair was not human/had no usable dna' camp. Would they be able to tell if Abby was holding a few strands of hair from a furry coat?

All MOO

 

[Inthedetails]

Could have been both---they hear a car on the gravel driveway---girls try to make a run for it but he puts the gun to Abby's head and forces them across the creek?

Yes, but their son was actively checking on the home and had driven there on the 13th.

I'm really thinking he threw their clothes into the water and that is how he forced them across.

I've always wondered about the river crossing - were they running away, did he hold them each by an arm or just one?

Now I think he threw their clothes for them to chase. Maybe not all their clothes, but enough that they would want to get them and put them back on, maybe even with hope the ordeal would be over once they got their clothes back.

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

I am still 20 pages behind, trying to catch up, so I apologize if I am repeating information. I think the courtroom is green and the juror was being a jerk. I don't think there was psychology behind it. I think they asked if there is a reason someone couldn't sit on the jury and he said I don't like green, meaning he didn't want to sit in the courtroom

I don't know if it was specifically about the green room, but I do think he was being a smart aleck, and they were right to give him the boot.

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

he watched the news.

Creepy to think that as we were learning about the case on WS, he was watching the news too.

I'm thinking he would be tired after the ordeal, but maybe he was pumped up. Yuck either way.

jmo

 

[tlcya]

<snipped by me>
But during our interview with the sheriff days after the murder he told me and
@RayCortopassi
on LIVE TV they had DNA. Law enforcement then asked us to remove that information from our website saying the sheriff was speaking without full knowledge. This was 2017 days after the murder.

I am so curious as to why so early on LE wanted to stop the circulation of the 'hair' discussion. I lean towards the - 'the hair was not human/had no usable dna' camp. Would they be able to tell if Abby was holding a few strands of hair from a furry coat?

All MOO

I have never thought RA's DNA was found at the crime scene but have always wondered if pet hair was.

 

[katydid23]

I mean, I just did. In the post you quoted.

Oh, I meant motives for the kidnapping, besides SA?

 

[girlhasnoname]

Even if these girls were fully clothed, I would bet the farm on the motive being sexual. A sexually motivated murder need not include an overt sex act. It’s about power and control, and how it makes the offender feel.

I’ve always thought the killer was behaving as a sexually motivated serial killer, even though he was not by definition a serial killer. In crimes like that you frequently see a signature (something not necessary to commit the crime, but necessary to the killer).

Hence the alleged staging of the bodies here.

Or maybe a trophy found during the search of his home I hope. We know some items were missing from the scene.

 

[MassGuy]

Or maybe a trophy found during the search of his home I hope. We know some items were missing from the scene.

That would be game over. I really do hope they have something like that.

 

[Vern]

<snipped by me>
But during our interview with the sheriff days after the murder he told me and
@RayCortopassi
on LIVE TV they had DNA. Law enforcement then asked us to remove that information from our website saying the sheriff was speaking without full knowledge. This was 2017 days after the murder.

I am so curious as to why so early on LE wanted to stop the circulation of the 'hair' discussion. I lean towards the - 'the hair was not human/had no usable dna' camp. Would they be able to tell if Abby was holding a few strands of hair from a furry coat?

All MOO

It just makes me recall that Nancy Grace comment about cat hair being found.

Also makes me wonder if, same as the Giglo case, the DNA (we know the Prosecution ran DNA tests as it came out in the detaied financial reports for the case) was tested vis FGG (Forensic Genetic Geneaology) and found to link to another member of RAs household erby leading to LE running the male names through their tip database only to discover, belatedly, that RA had actually previosly tipped himself in to them as being at the scene, at the time of the crimes, via CO DD. Then the call him into the station for that 2023 interview ... IMO??

 

[SouthEnd]

That would be game over. I really do hope they have something like that.

Gosh that would clear up things, wouldn't it?

Unfortunately, I am not holding my breath. It was 5 years until LE got to RA's door. Plenty of time to panic and get rid of everything.

All MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Some murderers don't have a motive. They just feel like killing someone and they do it.

The work of a drugged-up psycho, posing them for humiliation and shock value.

We don't have the details of the crime scene. Statements made over the years have been frightening and puzzling.

We do have the 9 pages of the crime scene description according to the Defense as stated in their 1st Franks Memo. They had no reason to publish such exploitive material in a Franks except for shock value IMO.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

@KylaBRussell

#NEW: 3 of the 14 jurors selected for the #Delphi double murder trial were dismissed this morning by Special Judge Fran Gull. That puts us back at 11 — with 5 more needed to be picked, including alternates. Of the current 11, 7 are women and 4 are men. #RichardAllen #RichardAllenTrial @WISHNews8

11:05 AM · Oct 15, 2024

Those jurors were picked so quickly. I'm sure it was a shock for some of them, to process what it actually meant. They get home and tell their family they will be mostly away from home for a couple months, on a gruelling task like that. I'm sure some had to decline the offer.

 

[SouthEnd]

It just makes me recall that Nancy Grace comment about cat hair being found.

Also makes me wonder if, same as the Giglo case, the DNA (we know the Prosecution ran DNA tests as it came out in the detaied financial reports for the case) was tested vis FGG (Forensic Genetic Geneaology) and found to link to another member of RAs household erby leading to LE running the male names through their tip database only to discover, belatedly, that RA had actually previosly tipped himself in to them as being at the scene, at the time of the crimes, via CO DD. Then the call him into the station for that 2023 interview ... IMO??

You have no idea how much I crave for a drop of DNA - anything that could have been used for FGG. Unfortunately I don't see much movement on that front, DT doesn't seem to be making much noise around disputing FGG, which is what I'd be expecting to see if any evidence linking any of RA's relatives to him had been found.

Also according to the MS, in every round, NM kept asking (potential) jurors how comfortable they are with cases where DNA is absent, which for me, was telegraphing that no useful DNA connections were made.

All MOO