Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #206

[mrjitty]

I do wonder how this case appears for the Jury who are not so close to it.

For instance, we've all known about the video and priced it in. But imagine a reality where RA was arrested based only off timeline and bullet, and then the video had been revealed at trial. Would it be seen as a smoking gun?

For a juror who hasn't followed all of this for years, and doesn't (hopefully) have knowledge of all the macabre backstories and discarded theories/conspiracies - is this case actually not quite simple at it's heart?

BG did these murders within minutes of the abduction, and was gone that afternoon - numerous eyewitnesses saw him, and there is video of him, and Libby's phone corroborates how it went down.

So is RA = BG?

How can he not be if it's his car, and he saw the juvenile girls? Even before confessions and bullets?

MOO

 

[sunshineray]

Correct. Depression/Anxiety can also lead to psychosis if severe enough.

Wasn't there also a Dependency condition mentioned?

 

[MiniMoo]

The handwritten note asking to confess was 3d of March. The discovery was shared a month later. I am confident there were confessions in between.

See 3 day pretrial hearing.

All moo

How long had Richard Allen been held in solitary confinement at that point? He was arrested October 26th, 2022, and from there how long in a prison and then solitary confinement.

Does anyone know by chance?

His confessions will be coming out this week and will probably take some time to get through, but am sure we will all be getting answers one way or the other when they do finally come out.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[sunshineray]

Of all the things you said, it's this right here for me. IMO, they truly needed those confessions. What a gift RA gave the prosecution.

A gift? I wouldn't classify a man confessing to the brutal murders of two children over 61 times a gift. More like that's a man that's guilty and desperately wanting to own up to what he's done...heartwrenching, soul-searching atonement. JMO

 

[rez125]

A gift? I wouldn't classify a man confessing to the brutal murders of two children over 61 times a gift. More like that's a man that's guilty and desperately wanting to own up to what he's done...heartwrenching, soul-searching atonement. JMO

The state's case is as weak as water.

These confessions if anything substantial would be a gift for the state.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Honestly, I wouldn’t be shocked if those were a majority. But that doesn’t matter if there are some high quality ones in there, which I’m convinced there are.

I’d have to agree, I simply can’t imagine the P making a huge part of their case about the confessions if at least SOME of them were not quality- lucid clear confessions- moo

 

[MiniMoo]

I surmise in a jury deliberation these confessions, and a few other things said by RA, will be difficult to ignore.

Those confessions are going to be one massive hurdle for the Defense that is for sure.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[sunshineray]

The state's case is as weak as water.

These confessions if anything substantial would be a gift for the state.

We greatly disagree

 

[mrjitty]

The entire case against RA is based upon multiple confessions/admissions prior to arrest.

Without his admissions to being on the trails form 1.30, seeing the juvenile girls, going on the first platform, dressed as BG, there is no case against him.

He has been confessing all along.

IMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

He seemed to indicate he was potentially ready to confess just a couple weeks after his arrest.

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I'll wait until I hear the much hoped-for confessions that only the killer knows. Taking words out of context matters, as I learned recently from this example:

The recent episode of “It doesn’t matter. It’s over.” proves Guilt was a big, fat nothingburger. MOO

https://twitter.com/x/status/1850296415584673931

Holeman
4. Holeman said he asked Allen about his “concerning” comment 2 wks earlier during a search warrant when RA told him: “It doesn’t matter. It’s over.”
“He said the damage was done. We had interviewed his neighbors & coworkers & everyone thought he did it….We ruined his life.”

 

[shonyakay]

Wasn't there also a Dependency condition mentioned?

Yes. There was mention of some type of a dependency condition in relation to RA.

 

[MiniMoo]

I'll wait until I hear the much hoped-for confessions that only the killer knows. Taking words out of context matters, as I learned recently from this example:

The recent episode of “It doesn’t matter. It’s over.” proves Guilt was a big, fat nothingburger. MOO

https://twitter.com/x/status/1850296415584673931

Holeman
4. Holeman said he asked Allen about his “concerning” comment 2 wks earlier during a search warrant when RA told him: “It doesn’t matter. It’s over.”
“He said the damage was done. We had interviewed his neighbors & coworkers & everyone thought he did it….We ruined his life.”

True. Context is everything.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[Bbgiraffe]

I'll wait until I hear the much hoped-for confessions that only the killer knows. Taking words out of context matters, as I learned recently from this example:

The recent episode of “It doesn’t matter. It’s over.” proves Guilt was a big, fat nothingburger. MOO

https://twitter.com/x/status/1850296415584673931

Holeman
4. Holeman said he asked Allen about his “concerning” comment 2 wks earlier during a search warrant when RA told him: “It doesn’t matter. It’s over.”
“He said the damage was done. We had interviewed his neighbors & coworkers & everyone thought he did it….We ruined his life.”

It's such a shame they couldn't find that all important phone to show he was looking at stocks at the trail before 12:43pm when the witnesses made their walk the length of the trail from the high bridge to the freedom bridge and only saw one person. The phone would show he was not at the trail from 1:30p to 3:30p AND that his self reported timeline was wrong. Since it would show him looking at the stocks an hour prior to the witnesses seeing BG after 1:26p being the only person on the trail and would show him being somewhere else when the crimes happened.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Per AB. The green scarf (item 72) had no blood or seminal fluid noted, so no further analysis done on it.

AB noted it strange the scarf had a different treatment to the other clothing found.

How on earth would they know that the killer hadn’t used the scarf to restrain one or both of the victims? That is so ridiculous- it’s at a crime scene- moo

 

[rez125]

How on earth would they know that the killer hadn’t used the scarf to restrain one or both of the victims? That is so ridiculous- it’s at a crime scene- moo

It's really quite amazing just how much they didn't do.

This is what happens when you don't follow the evidence. It's tunnel vision.

 

[MiniMoo]

How on earth would they know that the killer hadn’t used the scarf to restrain one or both of the victims? That is so ridiculous- it’s at a crime scene- moo

Am sure if either girl had been bound or tied up there would have been bruises or marks left on their wrists or feet, also, possibly particles of fabric.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[Justice101]

The entire case against RA is based upon multiple confessions/admissions prior to arrest.

Without his admissions to being on the trails form 1.30, seeing the juvenile girls, going on the first platform, dressed as BG, there is no case against him.

He has been confessing all along.

IMO

Ding, ding, ding!

Nice way to put it. Well done. He injected himself into the case multiple times.

If he had not come forward at all, he would probably never have been identified and certainly not arrested.

He may have actually been tipped in by someone else saying RA looks like BG in the video, but there were 40,000 tips pouring in at the time... so the tip on him would have been lost in the shuffle and gone into the back-burner pile.

Thanks to the top notch woman (secretary?) who dug into the folder in the drawer and found the note about RA and found that was NOT in the database. If it wasn't for her diligence, this case would have been cold forever.

 

[Justice101]

How on earth would they know that the killer hadn’t used the scarf to restrain one or both of the victims? That is so ridiculous- it’s at a crime scene- moo

Watch the helicopter vide0 again, they had SO MANY LE there at the crime scene!

Yeh, I know a lot of the LE vehicles were traffic control, etc... but gee whiz, they had to have collected a lot of stuff from the CS... surprised they didn't use the same sense of overkill to actually test it.

 

[Jade]

Interesting RA knows the neighbors and coworkers will believe he is a murdering pervert.

When Richard Allen says: “it doesn’t matter it’s all over”, that’s another confession, imo.

And as is like his type: someone else has ruined his life.


all imo

 

[ClearAhead]

I'll wait until I hear the much hoped-for confessions that only the killer knows. Taking words out of context matters, as I learned recently from this example:

The recent episode of “It doesn’t matter. It’s over.” proves Guilt was a big, fat nothingburger. MOO

https://twitter.com/x/status/1850296415584673931

Holeman
4. Holeman said he asked Allen about his “concerning” comment 2 wks earlier during a search warrant when RA told him: “It doesn’t matter. It’s over.”
“He said the damage was done. We had interviewed his neighbors & coworkers & everyone thought he did it….We ruined his life.”

“We had interviewed his neighbors & coworkers & everyone thought he did it…”

So everyone thought he was guilty? They knew him best, they could be right!