Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #206

[Yuletide]

he placed himself at the scene of the abduction on the day in question......yet the prosecution still cannot totally convince that he is actually BG

this is the very definition of a case where reasonable doubt exists in my opinion

There is a small amount of doubt in every case, but I see no reasonable doubt in this case. Imo

 

[tlcya]

I wish we could actually watch. It seems like every reporter hears things a little differently.

Jurors hear about Richard Allen's prison confessions in Delphi trial

Jurors watched two video interrogations of Richard Allen, one on Oct. 13, 2022 and another on Oct. 26, 2022, the same day Allen was arrested.

www.indystar.com

After Kathy Allen left the room, Holeman brought up the evidence again. This time, he seemed angry and was screaming and cursing at Allen.

"Do the right thing," he told Allen, adding that he should not put his family through such an ordeal.

agree, I wish we could be seeing all of this trial and the evidence the jury is seeing.

I think that Holeman told KA to tell RA to do the right thing AND after she exits the room he tells RA to do the right thing. I believe BOTH those things happened on the tapes but of course we can't be sure.

Holeman was definitely playing "bad" cop that day, telling RA they had all this evidence against him, really pushing him to try to get SOMETHING out of him.

Edited to address typos (dang E key is sticking)

 

[photographer4]

Delphi Murders trial: Day 10 live blog

Day 10 in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen begins at 9 a.m. Tuesday. Follow our live blog for the latest developments.

www.wishtv.com

Allen says in the video that he had an individual stock trading account, and was “trying to get rich.” In the video Allen laughs.

Allen says in the video “that was a hobby, I guess, for me,” referring to the question about stocks.

Mullin asks what he was wearing that day. Allen said he was wearing blue jeans and a back off-brand Carhartt jacket.

Liggett asked in the video if he was wearing a hat, Allen said that if he was it would have been the skull cap he kept in his jacket pockets. Allen says he was wearing either tennis shoes or combat boots or work boots. Mullin is seen texting during the interview.

Doesn't sound like he remembered what footwear he had (I wouldn't have either)... I wonder, did the LE ever test whatever footwear of his they did find in case there was blood or whatever still available to forensics testers? Moo & a question.

 

[photographer4]

@KylaBRussell

#NEW: The jury just watched a recording of an Oct. 13, 2022 interview with Allen before the search of his home and later arrest.Allen denied involvement several times.“You’re not going to find anything that ties me to the murders,” he said. Will have more from the video later this afternoon.

10:57 AM · Oct 29, 2024

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851277234750783740

And so far... it seems they really didn't find anything to tie him to the murders - unless the state has some bombshell they're gonna drop before they rest? Mooo.

 

[mrjitty]

i don’t get how manipulating the BG image would fool anyone. The jury has seen the original video. The defence and state can obviously say where approximately BG was standing when captured.

there is no way to trick anyone.

the D efforts to establish the innocence of Bridge Guy are bizarre to me.

MOO

 

[shonyakay]

Right? I've heard a lot of of "when do we believe what RA says? Well, same question about the witnesses? When do we believe their descriptions that clearly do NOT match RA (age / height / eyes / hair / outfit per one)???? Mooo.

When digital evidence proves they all saw the same man, "BG."

Why are some who lean towards RA's innocence unwilling to admit they all saw the same man based on digital evidence? If RA isn't "BG" in your opinion what is the hang up?

My guess would be because RA places himself in the exact spots "BG" is seen by these witnesses wearing similar attire.

"BG" = RA

 

[flashy09]

he placed himself at the scene of the abduction on the day in question......yet the prosecution still cannot totally convince that he is actually BG

this is the very definition of a case where reasonable doubt exists in my opinion

But then his bullet shows up at the crime scene.

 

[photographer4]

I'm mincing words, but "You're not going to find anything that ties me to the murders" is very different from "I didn't commit the murders". IMO.

I prefer how he worded this actually - a lot of guilty people say "I didn't do it" mooo. I've not heard one yet state clearly the police would not find anything that ties them to the murders. MOOOOO

 

[tlcya]

i don’t get how manipulating the BG image would fool anyone. The jury has seen the original video. The defence and state can obviously say where approximately BG was standing when captured.

there is no way to trick anyone.

the D efforts to establish the innocence of Bridge Guy are bizarre to me.

MOO

because they IMO know that RA is indeed BG

 

[m00c0w]

And so far... it seems they really didn't find anything to tie him to the murders - unless the state has some bombshell they're gonna drop before they rest? Mooo.

Except for the gun, the self-incrimination, the timeline, the witnesses, the videos, the confessions.

Absolutely nothing except for all of that.

JMO

 

[Ravenmoon]

If I were asked what I was wearing 5 years ago on a specific day, there is No way I would remember. Even the shoes. No way.

Isn't it the slightest bit weird to anyone else that he had a better than vague recollection of what he had on??

I always thought that was weird.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

the D efforts to establish the innocence of Bridge Guy are bizarre to me.

I think it’s probably so that even if the jury thinks RA is BG then they are trying to create doubt with “BG is not the killer” - moo IANAL

 

[SouthEnd]

So forgive me but I started following this late-did the autopsy show if Abby’s neck was broken by chance? I ask because I am wondering if that could be the reason why there was far less of her blood and why she didn’t grab at her neck when cut??

There was less of her blood *visible* because most of it was absorbed by the earth underneath her, as per the CSI and blood expert testimonies.

All MOO

 

[shonyakay]

I prefer how he worded this actually - a lot of guilty people say "I didn't do it" mooo. I've not heard one yet state clearly the police would not find anything that ties them to the murders. MOOOOO

To me that is even more suspicious.

Yeah, you won't find it, because I destroyed it. Imo.

 

[photographer4]

Regarding details - just thinking about it, I’m not sure I’d be able to remember what I was wearing on a specific day 5.5 years ago. Especially if that day held little significance for me. He could have easily said he doesn’t remember, could have been any number of things he wore. Instead, he describes clothing consistent with eyewitness accounts and the BG video.

JMO

And if he had forgotten, LE would probably have thought, well, isn't that convienient. LMAO. He appears to have been in a no win situation! They'd already decided to tunnel vision in on him imo. Too bad he wanted to help police at all really. I certainly won't after this - not without my legal counsel present! MOO.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Isn't it the slightest bit weird to anyone else that he had a better than vague recollection of what he had on??

He’d gone to LE immediately after, within days- if I’d spoken with LE about a double murder that I was in the vicinity of, I think that that day might stand out more than others - but I don’t know- if it was just a random day with nothing else to mark time or the event by- I’d have no idea- moo

 

[EllaMinnowP]

Awful as it may sound, I wish I could see and hear the original unadulterated DTH video for myself.
1) I want to know if the voice sounds noticeably closer to the phone than could possibly be heard from someone as far away as BG appears to be.
2) I want to know if BG appears to be near enough to hear the cocking of a gun.

* Just things that might help me form an opinion to MOO about

 

[Ursamajr]

Lots of circumstantial evidence here (and thats not a bad thing) but I really really wish there was something direct like DNA. Timeline seems pretty solid and I do believe there is merit in bullet science but many see it as junk. I really want the right person to be held accountable for this and I want no room for acquittal/appeals.

 

[MassGuy]

If I were asked what I was wearing 5 years ago on a specific day, there is No way I would remember. Even the shoes. No way.

Isn't it the slightest bit weird to anyone else that he had a better than vague recollection of what he had on??

I always thought that was weird.

Or just qualified it by saying “I usually wear.” But there would be no reason to remember your clothing, just what you did and saw. And you’d only remember the last part because you have a reference point (a major event that you actually contacted police about).

That is odd. Lots of that here.

 

[m00c0w]

And if he had forgotten, LE would probably have thought, well, isn't that convienient. LMAO. He appears to have been in a no win situation! They'd already decided to tunnel vision in on him imo. Too bad he wanted to help police at all really. I certainly won't after this - not without my legal counsel present! MOO.

“Tunnel vision” over a period of a couple of weeks after 5.5 years of investigating other people. That’s a strange way of describing it.

Why did they decided to go with this random guy versus anyone else that would have looked far better to prosecute?

Probably because that’s where the evidence pointed…

JMO