Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #207

[minazoe]

DBM

 

[Boxer]

By every definition of the words “solitary confinement” Richard Allen was housed in solitary confinement for 13 months, this isn’t “baloney” that his lawyers are perpetrating this is a fact

His lawyers barely visited him, never got him a competency assessment.
The state simply sent him to Westville the nearest place with segregation capacity - which is not exactly solitary, but it is seperate from the general population.

MOO where every third prisoner was thinking if "I get the chance I will kill him" they chose a place that handles that level of safety and support.

 

[AugustWest]

@Niner

Motion Filed Accused's Second Motion to Admit Evidence Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 10/30/2024​

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10/30/2024

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[ClearAhead]

This episode on Investigaton Discovery about the crime is a must see!

This episode titled: "Down the Hill" is dated June 3, 2019.

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Time Stamp: 12:20

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https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/video/still-a-mystery-investigation-discovery/down-the-hill

A few minutes after "BG" is shown, they play the audio from Libby's video.

I do struggle with maintaining BOTH the image is too blurry and small to determine height within a reasonable range AND it’s simultaneously crystal clear who’s in it and it’s being used as the unifying factor in connecting RA to BG

Doesn’t impact if RA did it or not- but without that picture of BG also being RA the case falls apart- 3 witnesses saw 3 people is plausible-

If it’s clear enough for identification- and they know the dimensions of the bridge struts- I’m missing something on why it was so difficult to say between X and Y height from the video - moo

This photo linked by shonyakay in the post above (attachment) reveals a clear example of some of the challenges likely posed in attempting to determine a specific height of BG.

At a glance I notice -
- if that’s a hat or hoody on his head, how high above the top of his head?
- his head is leaning forward, perhaps his whole upper body?

As for witnesses, I think they did the best they could in describing who they saw for very brief moments. Its for the jury will decide if their testimony is credible or not. I respect them for coming forward following the crime, some people would prefer to not get involved. Considering the criticism directed their way, just using this case as an example, I can see why. JMO

 

[Shadowtrix]

@Niner

Motion Filed Accused's Second Motion to Admit Evidence Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 10/30/2024​

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10/30/2024

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Is this what I think it is? Pertaining to SODDI?

 

[shonyakay]

well it's capitol murder one , he's a potential danger to society, and because his identity became public, he had to be confined in order to keep him alive. it's the responsibility of the state to protect him.

Agreed. Also he told LE he was going to shoot himself right before his arrest.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

How often does that happen in our country?

RSBM
pretrial detention has become an increasingly important issue in the criminal justice system and the statues that impact it vary from state to state

Not an easy solution or topic- Indiana has some of the strictest statues only holding pretrial for murder (see second link)

Pretrial Detention

Research about Pretrial Detention and the criminal justice system

www.prisonpolicy.org

Pretrial Release: Detention

State constitutions and statutes establish the foundation of the pretrial release/detention framework in every state. Most individuals who are arrested are eligible to be released before trial, with 41 state constitutions containing a right to bail.

www.ncsl.org

IANAL, moo

 

[girlhasnoname]

• "I am not crazy. I am only acting like I am crazy."

all imo

I've always thought RA was crazy like a fox, a chameleon in many ways, the great pretender. I truly believe he is enjoying his time at the Defense Table, reliving the whole sickening details and photos one more time. He thinks these two Dynamic Duo Defenders can get him acquitted or at least a mistrial.

RA is probably seeing $$$$$ signs dancing in his head from a civil suit, book deal or Netflix special if found NG. This jury is not stupid or disengaged, quite the opposite. They will be able to figure out that if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a damn duck.

This is a trial about Justice for Abigale Williams and Liberty German, 2 innocent young girls who left this earth way too soon in the most gruesome manner at the hands of a sadistic monster named Defendant Richard Allen.

I believe Justice will prevail and RA will live out the rest of his days behind bars, which is more living than Abby & Libby ever got to do.

#Justice4Abby&Libby

As always, MOO

 

[BUF]

There's some significance to this particular letter that I didn't realize at first. It's dated March 5, 2023 at the top. However, former Westville officer Ethan Drang testified that Allen slipped this note under his door on April 5, 2023. No real explanation for date difference.

Could it be as simple as RA had put the wrong month on that confession note to the warden?

Note dated 3/5/23….RA slipped the note under the door 4/5/23

 

[AugustWest]

Is this what I think it is? Pertaining to SODDI?

Not sure what the motion is for; I haven't read it yet or seen anything about it. If I learn something I can post, I will let you all know.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I don't usually get emotional about trial watching and generally able to remain objective, but this trial has left me fairly horrified. Since when do we put people who are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a max security prison for 13 months? How often does that happen in our country? And that's only the beginning of issues so far that have left me astounded.

Wait until you catch up to the part of this trial that describes what the victims experienced. You will be ABSOLUTELY horrified.

jmo

 

[Momofthreeboys]

well it's capitol murder one , he's a potential danger to society, and because his identity became public, he had to be confined in order to keep him alive. it's the responsibility of the state to protect him.

Yes but generally it is my understanding that people awaiting for trial and can either not afford bail or bail is not offered are kept in the county jail as they are legally presumed innocent until proven guilty...not a max security prison in solitary confinement treated equally to convicted felons. It is my opinion that prosecution opened up a can of worms yet again. I cannot imagine the conundrum they have placed this jury in. Who is to say what those confessions were the result of. The conditions sound horrific and to not be able to even see his wife except for 2 visits in 13 months? I just truly and sincerely am horrified that this occurred in our country.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Have we seen anywhere where RA says, just plainly, "I didn't do it". Just straight up denial rather than "I am going to admit I did it" or "they didn't see me around the girls" or "if it's a picture on the the girls phone, it can't be me"?

“I didn’t do it.”

Richard Allen sat in an interview room at the Indiana State Police Lafayette Post across the table from Lt. Jerry Holeman and repeated this denial, “I didn’t do it.”

‘I didn’t do it’ - Carroll County Comet

This is a two-part series. Tomorrow we will post Allen’s confessions testified to by employees and former employees of the Indiana Department of Corrections. “I didn’t do it.” Richard Allen sat in an interview room at the Indiana State Police Lafayette Post across the table from Lt. Jerry...

www.carrollcountycomet.com

 

[Momofthreeboys]

Wait until you catch up to the part of this trial that describes what the victims experienced. You will be ABSOLUTELY horrified.

jmo

Oh believe me I am caught up on the trial.

 

[ClearAhead]

I don't usually get emotional about trial watching and generally able to remain objective, but this trial has left me fairly horrified. Since when do we put people who are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a max security prison for 13 months? How often does that happen in our country? And that's only the beginning of issues so far that have left me astounded.

A safekeeping order was in place, likely due to his threats of suicide. People would’ve been equally astounded at his lack of care had he been placed amongst the general population, his mental health issues ignored, if he got beat up or worse. IMO.

https://wgntv.com/news/indiana/delphi-murders-warden-correctional-officers-say-allen-made-multiple-confessions-to-killing-abby-libby/

Galipeau said Allen was allowed to shower three times a week, provided three sets of clothing, had access to tablets and was allowed recreation time five days a week in an indoor rec room. While on suicide watch he would get a medical check daily.

 

[shonyakay]

I do struggle with maintaining BOTH the image is too blurry and small to determine height within a reasonable range AND it’s simultaneously crystal clear who’s in it and it’s being used as the unifying factor in connecting RA to BG

Doesn’t impact if RA did it or not- but without that picture of BG also being RA the case falls apart- 3 witnesses saw 3 people is plausible-

If it’s clear enough for identification- and they know the dimensions of the bridge struts- I’m missing something on why it was so difficult to say between X and Y height from the video - moo

I'm just going to leave this right here.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Divorce papers?

Maybe Power of Attorney so she could sell the home?

 

[loreet]

Yes but generally it is my understanding that people awaiting for trial and can either not afford bail or bail is not offered are kept in the county jail as they are legally presumed innocent until proven guilty...not a max security prison in solitary confinement treated equally to convicted felons. It is my opinion that prosecution opened up a can of worms yet again. I cannot imagine the conundrum they have placed this jury in. Who is to say what those confessions were the result of. The conditions sound horrific and to not be able to even see his wife except for 2 visits in 13 months? I just truly and sincerely am horrified that this occurred in our country.

State prisons around the country are often considered by inmates to have *better* living conditions for inmates than many county jails. Of course by no means are all county jails alike — conditions vary wildly — nor are conditions in state prisons all the same.

At this point in time, both jails and prisons around the country are experiencing major understaffing issues. Which has been having seriously negative effects on both inmates and corrections officers. Things are very stressful on both sides.

 

[Simply Caustic]

Carroll County isn’t equipped with a cell that would keep an inmate segregated from gen pop. (See article here) that’s why he wasn’t in county jail from the jump.

 

[lisette]

I'm just going to leave this right here.

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No doubt in my mind.