Interesting i.e. house. Dr. Wala testified that he mentioned he took pride in the fact that he owned his own house.
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Interesting i.e. house. Dr. Wala testified that he mentioned he took pride in the fact that he owned his own house.
Correct-this was the testimony and in my opinion they could do better. This was problematic for me
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Respectfully shortened your post, to answer Point 2
Because his feelings toward his his wife were ambivalent.
Love & hate/resentment
He felt guilty, knew it was wrong to harbour negative hateful feelings towards his family, so he substituted 2 innocent victims….to ‘save his family’.
Immediately after the crime ( perhaps even immediately after ordering the abduction) he felt shock & remorse for what he had done.
It didn’t play out as he’d fantasised.
He couldn’t even control two little girls but couldn’t leave them alive or his life was over.
His wife, mother & daughter would know he was a monster.
Everything after that was an attempt to hide the truth from his wife/family.
He complied with his wife’s wishes ( to help the police) as at this point he’s terrified of rejection & losing her love.
He was & is a deeply troubled man.
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Clemons’ log from April 6, 2023, was displayed to the court. The following time stamps are quotes Clemons documented from Allen.
7:30 a.m.: “God, I am so glad nobody gave up on me after I killed Abby and Libby.”
8:01 a.m.: “I, Richard Matthew Allen, killed Abby and Libby all by myself, nobody helped me.”
8:03 a.m.: “I am not crazy, I am only acting like I’m crazy.”
Clemons mentioned a few other quotes from Allen, including “I am ready to confess,” “I don’t want to die,” and an unspecified moment where Allen was screaming nonsense.
[snip]
Other events noted when Allen began stuffing papers into the toilet, later saying, “Chris is my best friend.”
Delphi Murders trial: Day 10 live blog
7:30 a.m.: “God, I am so glad nobody gave up on me after I killed Abby and Libby.”
8:01 a.m.: “I, Richard Matthew Allen, killed Abby and Libby all by myself, nobody helped me.”
8:03 a.m.: “I am not crazy, I am only acting like I’m crazy.”
Clemons mentioned a few other quotes from Allen, including “I am ready to confess,” “I don’t want to die,” and an unspecified moment where Allen was screaming nonsense.
[snip]
Other events noted when Allen began stuffing papers into the toilet, later saying, “Chris is my best friend.”
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I do struggle with maintaining BOTH the image is too blurry and small to determine height within a reasonable range AND it’s simultaneously crystal clear who’s in it and it’s being used as the unifying factor in connecting RA to BGAllen has been listed as 5 feet 4 inches tall by his defense attorneys and 5 feet 5 inches tall in jail records.
Delphi trial witness testifies seeing 'Bridge Guy' on trail: 'I remember I waved to him'
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Given the description of Libby’s video, just a very small image on a couple of video frames, possibly the issue of accurate estimation relates to camera distortion and movement of the subject.
Doesn’t impact if RA did it or not- but without that picture of BG also being RA the case falls apart- 3 witnesses saw 3 people is plausible-
If it’s clear enough for identification- and they know the dimensions of the bridge struts- I’m missing something on why it was so difficult to say between X and Y height from the video - moo
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April 26, 5:06 a.m.: “Can I talk? Can you listen? How do I prove that I’m insane?”
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- “How do I prove that I’m sane?”
13 Things To Know From The #Delphi Murders Trial Today - Oct 29
1. Day 10 of testimony was the first time jurors got to hear directly from Richard Allen. The longest day of testimony yet focused on 2 videotaped interrogations of Allen and his confessions from prison.
2. Jurors listened to nearly 3 hrs of his Oct 2022 meetings w police prior to his arrest. In the 1st video, Allen described where he was & what he saw on the day of the murders. He seemed relaxed, offering info freely. That changed when police asked to inspect his phone & home.
3. When investigator Steve Mullin asked Allen if he was Bridge Guy, Allen calmly told them, “Your attitude towards me has definitely changed… it’s not me. You’re not going to convince me it’s me. I had nothing to do with those murders.” Said he wasn’t going to be their fall guy.
4. After 90 min of questioning in which Allen remained calm, he told investigators they were “pissing him off,” called one an
& the room. Later that day, police served a search warrant on his home, where they recovered a gun later linked to a cartridge at the crime scene.
5. Video of the 2nd interrogation shown to jurors was more intense. ISP Lt Jerry Holeman told Allen about the gun lab results. Allen again remained calm, saying the testing was not correct & he had no explanation. Holeman said “The science doesn’t lie…I’m trying to help you.”
6. Holeman told Allen the media would portray him as a monster if he didn’t confess. Over & over, Allen said “I’m not going to admit to something I didn’t do.” Late in the interview, Allen’s wife was brought into the room. They hugged. She cried. He again denied any involvement.
7. Holeman: “Now you’re going to drag your wife & daughter thru this because you’re too bullheaded to get out ahead of this.”Allen: “You’re going to pay for what you’ve done to my wife. You want to with me, with me. But you leave my wife out of this.”
8. Holeman screamed at Allen, cussing him out. Allen said “if you’re going to arrest me, arrest me. Holeman replied “happy to.” The video was then stopped & the judge told jurors what happened next: Holeman placed Allen in handcuffs & arrested him for the murders of Abby & Libby.
9. Next the jury heard from 9 prison employees who said they heard Allen confess to the murders. Former Westville Prison warden John Galipeau said Allen’s confessed in a note: “I am ready to officially confess to killing Abby and Libby.” He also said Allen’s confessed verbally.
10. 7 corrections officers stationed outside Allen’s cell while he was suicide watch testified about what they heard & documented in their logs. Examples:“Offender says God I’m so glad no one gave up on me after I killed Abby & Libby.”“Can you listen? I killed Abby & Libby.”
11. The defense questioned the prison staff about their lack of mental health training and inability to recognize when an inmate is suffering from a severe mental health crisis. The atts also highlighted the extreme harsh conditions Allen was subjected to at Westville.
12. Still ahead: Allen’s confessions to his wife and mother during prison phone calls. Those are expected today and will allow the jury to hear incriminating statements made in Allen’s own voice.
13. SO much more to discuss from yesterday’s testimony. @EmilyWTHR and I go much deeper on the day’s evidence and how the jury and families reacted in our Delphi Debrief.
1. Day 10 of testimony was the first time jurors got to hear directly from Richard Allen. The longest day of testimony yet focused on 2 videotaped interrogations of Allen and his confessions from prison.
2. Jurors listened to nearly 3 hrs of his Oct 2022 meetings w police prior to his arrest. In the 1st video, Allen described where he was & what he saw on the day of the murders. He seemed relaxed, offering info freely. That changed when police asked to inspect his phone & home.
3. When investigator Steve Mullin asked Allen if he was Bridge Guy, Allen calmly told them, “Your attitude towards me has definitely changed… it’s not me. You’re not going to convince me it’s me. I had nothing to do with those murders.” Said he wasn’t going to be their fall guy.
4. After 90 min of questioning in which Allen remained calm, he told investigators they were “pissing him off,” called one an
& the room. Later that day, police served a search warrant on his home, where they recovered a gun later linked to a cartridge at the crime scene. 5. Video of the 2nd interrogation shown to jurors was more intense. ISP Lt Jerry Holeman told Allen about the gun lab results. Allen again remained calm, saying the testing was not correct & he had no explanation. Holeman said “The science doesn’t lie…I’m trying to help you.”
6. Holeman told Allen the media would portray him as a monster if he didn’t confess. Over & over, Allen said “I’m not going to admit to something I didn’t do.” Late in the interview, Allen’s wife was brought into the room. They hugged. She cried. He again denied any involvement.
7. Holeman: “Now you’re going to drag your wife & daughter thru this because you’re too
bullheaded to get out ahead of this.”Allen: “You’re going to pay for what you’ve done to my wife. You want to with me, with me. But you leave my wife out of this.” 8. Holeman screamed at Allen, cussing him out. Allen said “if you’re going to arrest me, arrest me. Holeman replied “happy to.” The video was then stopped & the judge told jurors what happened next: Holeman placed Allen in handcuffs & arrested him for the murders of Abby & Libby.
9. Next the jury heard from 9 prison employees who said they heard Allen confess to the murders. Former Westville Prison warden John Galipeau said Allen’s confessed in a note: “I am ready to officially confess to killing Abby and Libby.” He also said Allen’s confessed verbally.
10. 7 corrections officers stationed outside Allen’s cell while he was suicide watch testified about what they heard & documented in their logs. Examples:“Offender says God I’m so glad no one gave up on me after I killed Abby & Libby.”“Can you listen? I killed Abby & Libby.”
11. The defense questioned the prison staff about their lack of mental health training and inability to recognize when an inmate is suffering from a severe mental health crisis. The atts also highlighted the extreme harsh conditions Allen was subjected to at Westville.
12. Still ahead: Allen’s confessions to his wife and mother during prison phone calls. Those are expected today and will allow the jury to hear incriminating statements made in Allen’s own voice.
13. SO much more to discuss from yesterday’s testimony. @EmilyWTHR and I go much deeper on the day’s evidence and how the jury and families reacted in our Delphi Debrief.
Except for the fact that RA placed himself at the bridge at the time the girls arrived, placed himself in the kind of clothes Libby’s photo shows, and a bullet from his gun was found by the murdered bodies. Then he admitted to multiple people he killed them. I believe he has a bit more of a burden than some defendants. Just my humble opinion
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Agreed. IMO, that is why the defence created such outlandish tales (FM's). Leaking of photos to push the Odinists theory; to combat obvious incriminating evidence. Why else do it? IMO
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However, it would be significant depending on when Richard Allen began receiving discovery from his attorneys. Obviously some of the more detailed confessions could've been influence by discovery materials.
There was some talk about that in court today but nothing definitive on when exactly he began receiving them. Obviously those materials would have more details about the crime and things like that. Not saying that's what happened but something to consider.
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Delphi Murders Trial Day 10 Afternoon Wrap Up:
It was the longest day we've had since this trial began. In the afternoon, we heard the confessions Richard Allen made to prison guards at the Westville Correctional Facility where he was held for more than a year. <i></i>
-We heard first from John Galipeau who was the former warden at Westville
-He went through what Allen's was life was like there
-Allen was on suicide watch for most of his time there
-He would have "suicide companions" watching him and monitoring what he did and said <i></i>
-Galipeau said initially other inmates were monitoring Allen but that changed after he started acting "erratic"
-Prison guards took over as his suicide companions
-Galipeau said Allen started washing his face in the toilet and pooping in his cell <i></i>
-Then Allen wrote a "request for interview" form which said "I'm ready to officially confess to Killing Abby and Libby"
-Here's a recreation we did during a viewing of exhibits last week:
-During cross examination, defense attorney Brad Rozzi pointed out that the area Allen was in was maximum security and house inmates who had conduct violations
-Rozzi reminded everyone that Allen was a pre-trial inmate and not convicted of a crime <i></i>
-Galipeau told Rozzi he had never heard of a "safekeeper" (aka pre-trial inmate) being held in a pod like that in his 28 years with IDOC
-Galipeau said that because Allen was on suicide watch, he had more limitations than other inmates and was watched at all times <i></i>
-Rozzi tried to ask about Galipeau being fired from the Department of Corrections but McLeland objected and Judge Gull agreed because it was outside the scope of what McLeland had asked about
-We then heard from 8 prison guards who were Allen's suicide companions <i></i>
-All of them heard Allen confess to the murders in some sort of fashion
-Officer Michael Clemons heard Allen say "I'm glad nobody gave up on me after I killed Abby and Libby"
-Also heard Allen say "I'm not crazy, I'm only acting like I'm crazy" <i></i>
-During cross, Rozzi asked if he heard Allen mention specific details? The answer was no.
-Clemons told Rozzi that other inmates would call Allen a "baby killer" and would tell him to kill himself
-During re-direct, Clemons said he didn't think Allen was crazy <i></i>
-Next was Michael Robert who heard Allen say "I want to confess. I know a lot more"
-He also said "I killed Abby and Libby. My wife wasn't involved"
-He also heard Allen talking to himself saying "why are you doing this? Do you know god?" <i></i>
-Allen also said things like "I'll take some KFC", "Am I already dead?" and "Can I go home? Am I in jail"
-During cross examination, Robert said he witnessed Allen smear his poop on the walls of his cell
-Roberts also saw him bang his head on the wall until it was bruised <i></i>
-He also said Allen would stand in the corner and run naked
-Next was James Early
-He heard Allen say "I am ready to confess. I swear to god I killed Abby and Libby. me running"
-During cross, Early said he saw Allen penetrate himself with a spork <i></i>
-Early also witnessed Allen drink from his toilet
-When Rozzi asked Early if it would be detrimental to someone's mental health to be in those conditions? He said yes
-Officer John Miller heard Allen say "funniest joke is how I killed them" <i></i>
-Allen also told Miller he killed his family and grandchildren
-Miller said Allen told him a "bear claw" was hypnotizing him.
-Miller told the jury he didn't think Allen's mental health issues were genuine
-Then came Brandon Fisher who heard the most detailed confession <i></i>
-Fisher says Allen said "he killed two girls in Delphi with a box cutter and threw it in the CVS dumpster"
-Fisher says Allen also said "he was going to rape them but panicked and killed them instead"
-He was banging his head on the wall while making some of these statements <i></i>
-During cross, Rozzi began to ask about Fisher being fired from IDOC for providing false info but prosecutor objected and it was sustained
-Fisher told Rozzi he thought Allen was putting on an "act" <i></i>
-Fisher said Allen would bang his head on the door while asking people to read the bible to him
-Fisher said Allen would also pretend he was in medieval times
-Allen also rubbed his poop on his face and left it there for two hours while in Fisher's presence <i></i>
-Officer Raymond Smith said Allen told him "I killed those two girls so I have to kill myself"
-Smith also witnessed Allen standing in the corner of his cell naked and singing "God Bless America"
-Smith said Allen then began masturbating in front of the door <i></i>
-Last was Jason Bedwell who works at the Wabash Valley prison where Allen was moved
-Said he heard Allen say "I'm sorry for what I did. Sorry for killing the girls" while he was laying down and crying
-Rozzi pointed out that there is no recording of that statement like the others <i></i>
-For reference, here's the change Allen underwent while in prison
-In motions to get him moved, which were eventually granted, Allen's lawyers said Westville was like a prison of war camp
-They included these pictures as part of their evidence
-Jury was sent out around 6:30
-Many of them were looking at the clock towards the end of day
-Confessions we didn't hear about today are the ones Allen supposedly made to his family members
-We'll see if that comes up tomorrow
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Delphi Murders Trial Day 10 Afternoon Wrap Up:
It was the longest day we've had since this trial began. In the afternoon, we heard the confessions Richard Allen made to prison guards at the Westville Correctional Facility where he was held for more than a year. <i></i>
-We heard first from John Galipeau who was the former warden at Westville
-He went through what Allen's was life was like there
-Allen was on suicide watch for most of his time there
-He would have "suicide companions" watching him and monitoring what he did and said <i></i>
-Galipeau said initially other inmates were monitoring Allen but that changed after he started acting "erratic"
-Prison guards took over as his suicide companions
-Galipeau said Allen started washing his face in the toilet and pooping in his cell <i></i>
-Then Allen wrote a "request for interview" form which said "I'm ready to officially confess to Killing Abby and Libby"
-Here's a recreation we did during a viewing of exhibits last week:
-During cross examination, defense attorney Brad Rozzi pointed out that the area Allen was in was maximum security and house inmates who had conduct violations
-Rozzi reminded everyone that Allen was a pre-trial inmate and not convicted of a crime <i></i>
-Galipeau told Rozzi he had never heard of a "safekeeper" (aka pre-trial inmate) being held in a pod like that in his 28 years with IDOC
-Galipeau said that because Allen was on suicide watch, he had more limitations than other inmates and was watched at all times <i></i>
-Rozzi tried to ask about Galipeau being fired from the Department of Corrections but McLeland objected and Judge Gull agreed because it was outside the scope of what McLeland had asked about
-We then heard from 8 prison guards who were Allen's suicide companions <i></i>
-All of them heard Allen confess to the murders in some sort of fashion
-Officer Michael Clemons heard Allen say "I'm glad nobody gave up on me after I killed Abby and Libby"
-Also heard Allen say "I'm not crazy, I'm only acting like I'm crazy" <i></i>
-During cross, Rozzi asked if he heard Allen mention specific details? The answer was no.
-Clemons told Rozzi that other inmates would call Allen a "baby killer" and would tell him to kill himself
-During re-direct, Clemons said he didn't think Allen was crazy <i></i>
-Next was Michael Robert who heard Allen say "I want to confess. I know a lot more"
-He also said "I killed Abby and Libby. My wife wasn't involved"
-He also heard Allen talking to himself saying "why are you doing this? Do you know god?" <i></i>
-Allen also said things like "I'll take some KFC", "Am I already dead?" and "Can I go home? Am I in jail"
-During cross examination, Robert said he witnessed Allen smear his poop on the walls of his cell
-Roberts also saw him bang his head on the wall until it was bruised <i></i>
-He also said Allen would stand in the corner and run naked
-Next was James Early
-He heard Allen say "I am ready to confess. I swear to god I killed Abby and Libby.
me running"-During cross, Early said he saw Allen penetrate himself with a spork <i></i>
-Early also witnessed Allen drink from his toilet
-When Rozzi asked Early if it would be detrimental to someone's mental health to be in those conditions? He said yes
-Officer John Miller heard Allen say "funniest joke is how I killed them" <i></i>
-Allen also told Miller he killed his family and grandchildren
-Miller said Allen told him a "bear claw" was hypnotizing him.
-Miller told the jury he didn't think Allen's mental health issues were genuine
-Then came Brandon Fisher who heard the most detailed confession <i></i>
-Fisher says Allen said "he killed two girls in Delphi with a box cutter and threw it in the CVS dumpster"
-Fisher says Allen also said "he was going to rape them but panicked and killed them instead"
-He was banging his head on the wall while making some of these statements <i></i>
-During cross, Rozzi began to ask about Fisher being fired from IDOC for providing false info but prosecutor objected and it was sustained
-Fisher told Rozzi he thought Allen was putting on an "act" <i></i>
-Fisher said Allen would bang his head on the door while asking people to read the bible to him
-Fisher said Allen would also pretend he was in medieval times
-Allen also rubbed his poop on his face and left it there for two hours while in Fisher's presence <i></i>
-Officer Raymond Smith said Allen told him "I killed those two girls so I have to kill myself"
-Smith also witnessed Allen standing in the corner of his cell naked and singing "God Bless America"
-Smith said Allen then began masturbating in front of the door <i></i>
-Last was Jason Bedwell who works at the Wabash Valley prison where Allen was moved
-Said he heard Allen say "I'm sorry for what I did. Sorry for killing the girls" while he was laying down and crying
-Rozzi pointed out that there is no recording of that statement like the others <i></i>
-For reference, here's the change Allen underwent while in prison
-In motions to get him moved, which were eventually granted, Allen's lawyers said Westville was like a prison of war camp
-They included these pictures as part of their evidence
-Jury was sent out around 6:30
-Many of them were looking at the clock towards the end of day
-Confessions we didn't hear about today are the ones Allen supposedly made to his family members
-We'll see if that comes up tomorrow
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One of his confessions is that he intended to rape them but panicked and killed them. That looks almost like some kind of temporary insanity plea based on his panic.
I’m sure that two parts of it are literally true in that he intended rape and ended in killing them. The panic may also be true but it’s optional.
I don’t think he ever intended to let them go. It was a planned crime. He’s a cold-blooded killer. Yes, a monster.
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I don't think he ever was really ever ever ever going to kill himself..no reason to go to the trails..the suicidal BS is his emotional manipulation of his wife and family after he does something bad , [Mod snip] he is such a liar, he goes out with his gun to feel omnipotent..I'm sure he's done it before..he's a very angry guy..he's 5'4" tall and he hates feeling inadequate and smaller than other people . Saying he was going to kill himself is total garbage..I don't believe anything he says.
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Maybe you misunderstood my post, the last thing I was trying to suggest is that the confinement conditions in either case were unacceptable, just that in Keyes’ case they were quite similar.
He wasn’t in straight up solitary either, he could talk to the FBI all he wanted and get smokes and coffee for doing so, and he at minimum had access to the prison library at times.
To be clear, I also am in no way suggesting that RA is like Israel Keyes, although from a discussion standpoint there are a couple interesting parallels.
The most pertinent one to me is he actually only confessed in detail to two murders where the victims were named [eta: two separate events, one of which had two victims] and in one of the two the actual evidence against him was nothing compared to what there is against RA in this case.
I do a lot of Keyes research and there are very, very few people out there suggesting he was straight up framed for the Currier murders.
Something happened to cause that 2 floor elevation on Libby's phone in a minute's time, from 2:31 p.m. to 2:32 p.m.
Libby's phone ceases movement at the conclusion of that 2 floor elevation. The phone was found under Abby's body.
My theory is the girls' tried to flee, or attempted to use the phone to call for help and in a panic RA killed them.
Edited: My bad I first posted a.m. but corrected it to p.m.
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I don't usually get emotional about trial watching and generally able to remain objective, but this trial has left me fairly horrified. Since when do we put people who are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a max security prison for 13 months? How often does that happen in our country? And that's only the beginning of issues so far that have left me astounded.
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Delphi Murders trial: Day 11 live blog
Richard Allen, accused of murdering two teenage girls in Delphi, Indiana, is on trial and Day 11 of the trial began with testimony from several witnesses including Steve Mullin, John Galipeau, Ethan Drang, and Michael Clemons.
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9 A.M.: Court session begins
The first court session of the day is expected to begin at 9 a.m. The court adjourned at 5 p.m. Monday.
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well it's capitol murder one , he's a potential danger to society, and because his identity became public, he had to be confined in order to keep him alive. it's the responsibility of the state to protect him.
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