Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #207

[MassGuy]

Do we know if LE released info about the branches before this interview??
That would have been a major blunder!!! ...imo
LE has to withhold some info only the killer would know.

They withheld that and the bullet, but Allen would obviously be privy to that at some point. The question now is when, as it would make those confessions even more valuable if he didn’t know.

The point of withholding that information is to discount or verify confessions. This was past that point when they already had made an arrest. The prosecution was required to furnish that information to the defense.

 

[oviedo]

Wait, did he mention the sticks in the confession?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851669534916124744

It’s in this tweet

 

[Yemelyan]

Made sure they were dead so they wouldn't suffer.

Yeah, no, he didn't suddenly become a caring murderer.

More, he made sure they could never tell on him.

Lot of covering up.

Getting a sense that RA has been trying to cover up parts of his dark psyche for a long time. Or rather, constantly seeking validation, despite them. Codependent mess of a man.

JMO

IMO, the tendency to "minimize" the act is very common with perpetrators especially those that target children and teens. For example, "I put my hands over her mouth because she was screaming" instead of the truth which is "I smothered her to death because she was making noise and I was afraid of leaving a witness." "I came back and slit her throat because I didn't want her to suffer" instead of "I slit her throat to make sure I finished the job." Just examples, not claiming that these specific acts happened in this particular case (well, maybe the second one).

 

[scapa]

@KylaBRussell

#NEW: Richard Allen’s psychologist at Westville Correctional Facility admits she followed the case via podcasts and Facebook groups before and during his treatment. She said she contributed in chat rooms throughout.She also said she shared her thoughts with Allen during his treatment based on coverage she’d seen. She is no longer working directly for the Department of Corrections. “They had to do an investigation,” she said.

12:32 PM · Oct 30, 2024

Yikes. Not sure how this is likely to colour a jury's take on her testimony, but -- this was already an enormously high-profile case, which Dr W was clearly at this point at the centre of, and in a literally privileged position. Could she not have gone on a media/ socials diet through the point at which she had to testify?

This is important and damming testimony, but it seems like so many witnesses in this case to date have vulnerabilities that a competent -- making no judgements -- might usefully exploit.

What would we have given for a "Just the facts" unimpeachable Dr Wala.

 

[justtrish]

Posted five hours ago:

Today is Day 11 in the Delphi Murders Trial - and we will likely hear more of the confessions Allen made while incarcerated in solitary confinement for 13+ months. I anticipate: recorded calls with his wife and mother, and testimony from Dr. Monica Wala who treated Allen, and


diagnosed him with psychosis. At some points even medicating him against his will. Wala is a former employee of a vendor hired by Indiana DOC, and has admitted to listening to podcasts/youtube shows about the case while she was treating Allen.


Yesterday we heard from 9 current or former DOC guards/warden about confessions they heard. None were specific except for one that mentioned Allen used a box cutter he stole from CVS in the murders.


Problem with that is that the forensic path. who did the autopsies testified he could never ID the weapon used until he began to speculate in the last few months that it could have been a box cutter. His speculation came AFTER Allen is said to have made the box cutter comment.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851584565787177263

I don't see the problem with the ME not saying it was a box cutter until later. If he couldn't say for sure what it was that doesn't mean he couldn't determine yes or no if LE presented him with something. If they asked him could it be a box cutter then he could look at the wounds and he is an expert.. if it not possible, I think he would say that much. If it is possible then it's possible. I am sure he can say why it's possible also. Not like they said it's a K-bar and he agreed when it couldn't be.

 

[Salah11]

IMO, the tendency to "minimize" the act is very common with perpetrators especially those that target children and teens. For example, "I put my hands over her mouth because she was screaming" instead of the truth which is "I smothered her to death because she was making noise and I was afraid of leaving a witness." "I came back and slit her throat because I didn't want her to suffer" instead of "I slit her throat to make sure I finished the job." Just examples, not claiming that these specific acts happened in this particular case (well, maybe the second one).

Yes i remember that vividly with the Soham murders and Ian Huntley and that was his exact excuse to explain his actions.

 

[Trebor5591]

DBM

 

[Pitsleuth]

40 years ago I could do it and did do it, and I could function just fine.

Same, before I got sober I could easily drink six beers (especially low proof like Bud Light, etc) and function normally. And I'm a female, 5'6" and 120 lbs.

 

[minazoe]

okay so how much time did he spend with the girls? I hope they have done a run because even though he confessed, I think there is a lot more stuff that went on that he has not confessed to, at least in this part of the testimony..I bet there are at least 30 minutes of time unaccounted for.

 

[arielilane]

Day 11, Delphi murders trial, lunch break wrap. One witness all morning, still on the stand heading into the afternoon. 1/




Dr. Monica Wala, a psychologist who treated Richard Allen at Westville Correctional Facility, testified about times he confessed or said he wanted to confess to killing Abby Williams and Libby German in 2017. 2/


She said those came in April and May 2023, after his behavior started getting more bizarre. During an April 2023 session, Wala said, Allen brought up the case, saying that he killed the girls. She said he indicated his intention was ‘sexual in nature.’ 3/


Wala said another time was in May 2023, when he called his wife and wanted Wala to hear, too, so she would understand. She said he told them he’d had three beers, went to Monon High Bridge Trail, saw the girls on the bridge and followed them. 4/


Wala said Allen told the girls to go down the hill near High Bridge w/the intention of raping them, but got scared when he saw a van in the area. She said he described cutting their necks, making sure they died, covered them with some sticks, then went home to live his life. 5/


“He almost seemed relieved,” Wala testified. 6/


A lot of testimony about Richard Allen’s mental health / suicide watch status at Westville. On cross, Wala faced questions about her true crime interests, including the Delphi case, and how her pretrial testimony in July led to her not working with/Westville anymore. 7/


More testimony coming this afternoon. @localguydonnie @93wibc http://basedinlafayette.com 8/

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851669545808740454

 

[justtrish]

They withheld that and the bullet, but Allen would obviously be privy to that at some point. The question now is when, as it would make those confessions even more valuable if he didn’t know.

The point of withholding that information is to discount or verify confessions. This was past that point when they already had made an arrest. The prosecution was required to furnish that information to the defense.

I don't think we the public heard about the branches until the first Fictional Franks Memo.. Makes sense now why they needed to put this out to the public to blurr things.

 

[Momofthreeboys]

Yikes. Not sure how this is likely to colour a jury's take on her testimony, but -- this was already an enormously high-profile case, which Dr W was clearly at this point at the centre of, and in a literally privileged position. Could she not have gone on a media/ socials diet through the point at which she had to testify?

Sure but there is her testimony in depositions and I believe in motions hearings so who knows if there are inconsistencies. Jury will here more than we will in this case. If there were inconsistencies it will come up in cross. Same with the confessions, I'm at a point either I need to make myself a timeline or see one...it would make a difference when RA knew the details of the case with all the info that had been released and when he had is alleged psychotic breaks and when he gave confessions. Another inconsistency I noted for myself was the bullet - did RA confess it ejected up at the top of the bridge before the hill or is the reality it was down the hill and at the scene of the crime that has been testified to.

 

[Melted]

I get emotional about two children who were forced to walk down a hill and have their throats brutally slashed.

JMO YMMV

Both can be true.

JMO

 

[SeattleStew]

Crime is not declining

Weren't there reports that someone thought they heard a "couple arguing" under the bridge around the time of the abduction? Wonder if that was Allen forcing the girls to disrobe there?

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I hear what your saying, but it relies on a lot of assumptions.

What is the source stating FSG HEARD an arguing couple? We don’t know that from what I can tell.

Also, this theory relies on the fact that BG was at the bridge, came forward as a witness and said he was there with a girl at the bridge (i.e. the couple). On top of that, another witness, a girl, stated she saw this couple there.

Your theory relies on the fact that BG has a lot of power over 2 seperate girls to ensure that even 4 years on they BOTH are lying to LE stating that 1 was at the bridge with BG and the second girl saw BG and this couple.

Throw in the fact that FSG stated there was a couple down at / by the bridge- we’re on territory where 2 seperate witnesses confirmed the existence of the couple

It’s just not realistic IMO

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The "arguing couple" came from the conversation between Derrick German and FSG. FSG said that (paraphrasing) he hadn't seen two girls when asked by Derrick, but he heard a couple arguing. Derrick then decide to take the lower trail to the creek. We have debated up thread whether it was at the bridge, or under the bridge. The source of this is Betty & Mike Patty interview with Gray Hughes. this is on Youtube dated 20th August 2018

Thelastleg​

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I hear what your saying, but it relies on a lot of assumptions.

What is the source stating FSG HEARD an arguing couple? We don’t know that from what I can tell.

Also, this theory relies on the fact that BG was at the bridge, came forward as a witness and said he was there with a girl at the bridge (i.e. the couple). On top of that, another witness, a girl, stated she saw this couple there.

Your theory relies on the fact that BG has a lot of power over 2 seperate girls to ensure that even 4 years on they BOTH are lying to LE stating that 1 was at the bridge with BG and the second girl saw BG and this couple.

Throw in the fact that FSG stated there was a couple down at / by the bridge- we’re on territory where 2 seperate witnesses confirmed the existence of the couple

It’s just not realistic IMO

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[shonyakay]

Crime is not declining

Weren't there reports that someone thought they heard a "couple arguing" under the bridge around the time of the abduction? Wonder if that was Allen forcing the girls to disrobe there?

Wow. Good point. Maybe his confessions will be verified by several witnesses then who have yet to testify.

 

[arielilane]

According to this timeline crime scene photos were leaked October 5, 2023.

Delphi crime scene photos, evidence leaked​

Oct. 5, 2023: Evidence related to German and Williams’ deaths, including crime scene photos, were leaked online and distributed to YouTube and podcast content creators.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/delphi-killings-timeline-richard-allen/



Linked article:

The leak occurred on Oct. 5.

Man charged over evidence leak in Delphi murders case that led to removal of defense attorneys

"I observed printed copies of photo evidence on the conference room table," a sworn statement reads. "I took pictures of a few of them."

lawandcrime.com

 

[Melted]

I don't think we the public heard about the branches until the first Fictional Franks Memo.. Makes sense now why they needed to put this out to the public to blurr things.

Putting it in the public blurs nothing, he received the discovery whenever he received it and that will be date stamped and he made these confessions whenever he did and that will be testified to.

JMO

 

[Melted]

I’m still waiting for a confession only the killer would know and I’ll be disappointed in the state if they made that claim in their opening statements and it isn’t true.

Does anyone know if the jury has heard any recorded confessions yet?

JMO

 

[zh0r4]

Except for the fact that RA placed himself at the bridge at the time the girls arrived, placed himself in the kind of clothes Libby’s photo shows, and a bullet from his gun was found by the murdered bodies. Then he admitted to multiple people he killed them. I believe he has a bit more of a burden than some defendants. Just my humble opinion

I’m saying legally, in the United States, the burden of proof falls on the state not the defendant.

 

[photographer4]

It’s in this tweet

Q: because I'm behind: in talking about the sticks:
1. Did he offer this BEFORE or after disclosure was received by him?
2. If BEFORE - did he provide any insight as to the height / weight / size of the sticks or the specific way in which he laid them on top of the kids?

Not moo - these are questions. Ty