Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #207

[everlearning]

I've got a basic medical question: If a person eats poop, doesn't it make them sick? Like, really sick?

 

[joe jones]

Why is he making all of these confessions? Can anyone explain that?

If he is an innocent man, wanting to prove his innocence, why is he making detailed believable confessions too his warden, his therapist and his wife and mother?

He was suffering from psychosis maybe one reason, like many false confessions they do so to try to relieve the unbearable stress they are under in the hopes that maybe his living conditions may change,
he may have thought it was his only way to get out of living how he was
I would like to know dates of all his confessions and/when he stopped if he ever did, I haven't seen any testimony from his second jail

 

[minor4th]

Do you feel that the defendant will have any conviction overturned on appeal because of the things you state?

Possibly

 

[vinayd]

I've got a basic medical question: If a person eats poop, doesn't it make them sick? Like, really sick?

Not all the time. A quick google search can explain better. I've seen articles on dementia patients, those with depression, history of sexual abuse or even pica.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

KSwizzle said:

“He says used off trail to stay hidden after committing the murder so who did SC see that was muddy and bloody”.

Road 300 N is off the trials.
At some point he had to emerge from the woods and cross the road. I think this is when SC saw him.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

Closest thing I can think of is Israel Keyes, although in his case I think it was less that he was at risk of harm from other inmates and more that they were at risk of harm from him.

He was held in similar isolated conditions in an actual prison under suicide watch for nine months, and it would have been longer but he killed himself while on suicide watch.

He too was never convicted of a crime, incidentally.

Can’t say I’ve ever heard anyone complain about his arrangeme

This is not true, he was not in an "actual prison". He was held in the appropriate detention center. This is where he died.

"Anchorage Correctional Complex houses inmates from classifications of minimum to maximum/closed custody, as it acts as an intake/pre-trial detention center and long term detention facility for the area."
While being held in jail at the Anchorage Correctional Complex, Keyes managed to conceal a razor blade in his cell.

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[BexLuth0r]

I couldn't wait for trial so I could hear from those who bravely came forward to piece together a timeline. I was right and they are all brave. They were going about their daily lives and they had a chance encounter with a man who stuck out to them. They noted it and carried on with their day. Then they find out this man had brutally murdered 2 girls and THEY had seen him AND he had seen them. They helped the best they could and they all say the man in that photo is the man they saw. No reason to lie about that.. NONE of them have any reason to lie.. no money is offered, no good comes to them for lying about this, yet they are dismissed, called liars, and told they just came forward for money.

I wanted to hear how this tip was misfiled. It bothered me that this big of a tip was missed. I assumed it was an innocent error in the mix of a massive investigation.. I was right. No conspiracy here. He came forward because his wife said he should. He told the officer a story about his day just a few days after it happened.. it was written down and misfiled. Only after he was called in to talk again did he change his story.. for most of us that would be a sign he's lying now to cover his butt.. only for some this is a sign that they are trying to frame RA because he really was there like he said 5 years later at 12-130.. oh if he only had that phone proof that this was in fact true vs what he said in 2017.

I wanted to hear the confessions because I just couldn't understand why and who could.. it's the worst of the worst crimes when a stranger harms children and it's all too much to understand. So today it is confirmed his why. Yet some still think it's just not true, he was treated poorly saw the discovery and just told this story over and over for some reason.

I think the jury is seeing that this case is actually really simple and a misfiled tip delayed justice, but it was there to get all along. The biggest hero of all left a video that showed us and some think that isn't him, he was too far away, we didn't see his mouth move, maybe another man was there, etc.

There was never a conspiracy. There was just a lot of brave witnesses that came forward, 2 incredibly brave girls that stuck together in their final moments and recorded their killer, and hard working LEOs that poured their heart and soul into finding justice for these precious girls. If not for that tip being misfiled this would have been solved a long time ago.. yet now we have a circus.

All my opinion of course

This is excellent. It is really confusing to me how some people seem to be leaning towards a conspiracy other than just a misfiled tip.
An incredibly dumb and fatal mistake to make but I feel that's all it was. 5 years is a long time to slowly get rid of evidence. I think once he realised law enforcement wasn't coming, he may have relaxed.
It's possible he knew he didn't get into his car all muddy and bloody so didn't need to get rid of it. He didn't know they had a bullet so didn't need to get rid of his gun. It's interesting that the one thing on the bridge that could have confirmed his location and time he was there is the one thing that's been gotten rid of...

Also, is the box cutter confession a big deal? It was never mentioned prior to the confessions and seems a random weapon for someone to pluck out of the air if they were confessing to a crime they didn't do?

 

[Betty P]

We finally get to one specific confession, I am less shocked at that than the conditions he was kept in, irrespective whether he was convicted or not, nobody should be kept in those conditions,

Was it accurate that they had no running water?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Possibly

Just possible. I thought for sure that you would say an appeal will be successful because of the judges rulings.

Thanks for giving us your opinions on this case, it's much appreciated.

 

[joe jones]

Was it accurate that they had no running water?

I don't know but it was reported he was drinking from toilet, they did have rats and other creatures the inmates complained about,

 

[shonyakay]

They were separated by bars from what I understand

I heard Wala would visit him via a Crack in the door.

 

[mrjitty]

How did RA know the girls weren’t raped?

 

[minor4th]

Just possible. I thought for sure that you would say an appeal will be successful because of the judges rulings.

Thanks for giving us your opinions on this case, it's much appreciated.

The thing about appeals is they are never a sure thing. The trial judge is allowed great discretion and appeals courts like to defer to the trial judge.

In my own opinion, I believe she has committed reversible error by limiting the defense and not allowing them to present any third party culprit evidence.

She has shown real bias in this case, most prominently when she removed the defense attorneys without any prior notice or a hearing or even consulting with the defendant.

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851722487069053301

 

[Inthedetails]

Why is he making all of these confessions? Can anyone explain that?

If he is an innocent man, wanting to prove his innocence, why is he making detailed believable confessions to his warden, his therapist and his wife and mother?

I honestly don't know what to make of the confessions except the motivation is probably more complicated than even RA would understand.

I think the confessions are a mixture of:
* guilt
* utter shame, especially since his wife has stood by him through tough times and he KNOWS he was hiding stuff from her (if not murder, likely smutty stuff) and is ashamed he betrayed a good and faithful wife. I honestly think this is a big part of his confessions.
*despair over his deplorable conditions and what his life has become
* frustration - what power did he have except to eat poop and shout about the ugly things he did? He could control those things and nothing else.
*perhaps attempts at getting moved to a better facility due to mental health issues.

jmopinion at the moment

 

[vinayd]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851722487069053301

Well looks like the only black 2016 ford focus in delphi belonged to RA. Another brick.

 

[minor4th]

I don’t think there was any type of conspiracy, other than the prosecution bringing a shaky case to trial and the judge giving them the green light every opportunity while hampering the defense. JMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

Thread @MaxLewisTV
October 30,2024


Delphi Murders Trial Day 11 Lunch Update:

-Only witness to take the stand so far is Dr. Monica Wala who was the psychologist at the Westville Correctional Facility
-Dr. Wala testified about her sessions and interactions with Mr. Allen <i></i>
-Those included confessions he made to her about killing Abby and Libby
-At one point in early April he said he took their lives to preserve his own
-Allen also apparently admitted to have a sex addiction and was an alcoholic <i></i>
-Dr. Wala said after Allen received discovery papers from his attorneys he began acting strangely
-She said repeatedly she believed it wasn't genuine and Allen was only doing odd things to get
-At one point Allen was apparently eating his own poop <i></i>
-Dr. Wala believed Allen suffered from "situational psychoses"
-In early May, Allen made his most detailed confession yet
-He told Dr. Wala that he drank three beers that day and then headed to the trails
-He said he saw the girls walking and followed them <i></i>

-He mentioned doing something with the gun and believes that's when the bullet fell out

NOTE: The bullet was found at the murder scene not at the bridge

-Then ordered them down the hill and was going to rape them
-Saw a van and it scared him so he made them cross the creek <i></i>
-He then cut their necks and waited there to make sure they were dead
-Then walked back to his car and continued his life normally ever since
-Dr. Wala said he had no psychotic signs at the time but was high-risk for suicide <i></i>
-He talked about killing himself by jumping off his sink and snapping his neck
-Later he told Dr. Wala "I didn't do everything I said I did but I killed Abby and Libby"
-Dr. Wala said Allen received discovery papers from his defense in early April <i></i>
-During the month of April, Allen was involuntarily given his medication via injection
-Dr. Wala testified that she believe he was faking some of his symptoms during some of these outbursts
-Dr. Wala testified that he mentioned starting a nuclear war <i></i>
-He also tried to flush his bible down the toilet at one point
-However, Dr. Wala said he was showing signs of improvement by late April
-During cross examination, defense attorney Brad Rozzi asked right out of the gate why she no longer works at the DOC <i></i>

-She stopped working there after testifying during a July hearing in this case
-It was revealed there that she used the DOC database to look up information about the case that was not public
-Rozzi said she was obsessed with the case <i></i>
-Dr. Wala admitted to following it closely and participating in Facebook groups and online chat rooms about the case
-She became more interested after Allen's arrest
-She said she never formally told her bosses about her interest in the case even when Allen was sent to the DOC <i></i>
-Dr. Wala admitted to sharing her thought with Mr. Allen about what she saw in the online groups
-Dr. Wala said he was "fragile" when he came to DOC and had a "D" mental health code on a scale from A to E with E being the worst.
-Broke for lunch, cross will continue after <i></i>
You can find more details here:

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/i-just-want-to-sign-my-confession-richard-allen-gives-his-account-of-delphi-murders-to-prison-psychologist/

I've seen it said that a vehicle arrived at the house at the end of the private drive ~3:30pm.
He said he said he saw a van and it scared him. I'm assuming it's that vehicle.
That gave him a half hour to cross the creek, murder them, cover them with branches
and make his way up the hill where SC claimed to have seen him ~4:00.

However, Libby's step counter stopped moving at 2:32. Where was her body at 2:32?

Quote from the post:

-Then ordered them down the hill and was going to rape them
-Saw a van and it scared him so he made them cross the creek <i></i>
-He then cut their necks and waited there to make sure they were dead
-Then walked back to his car and continued his life normally ever since

 

[ClearAhead]

Prozac

Delphi Murders trial: Day 11 live blog

Richard Allen, accused of murdering two teenage girls in Delphi, Indiana, is on trial and Day 11 of the trial began with testimony from several witnesses including Steve Mullin, John Galipeau, Ethan Drang, and Michael Clemons.

www.wishtv.com

The supervisors did not have issue with Wala’s interest in the case, she confirmed, and added that Allen came into the prison on Prozac. His dosage was later adjusted.

 

[Vaderman]

It is really confusing to me how some people seem to be leaning towards a conspiracy other than just a misfiled tip.

I noticed this with the Jayme Closs case. Folks get too attached to their own pet theories and reality turns out to be simpler and less interesting as they'd imagined. They refused to believe a random stranger committed the murders and went as far as smearing Jayme as being involved.

This case had a lot of years, a lot of interest, and a lot of theories on suspects. In the end, it seems the simplest explanation makes the most sense: a drunk pervert did it and got lucky for five years.