Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #207

[Kudzuu]

The ME originally thought it was a serrated blade not a smooth one like a box cutter, and he just happened to change his opinion conveniently on time to testify at the trial

Actually he saw wounds to support both not just the serrated blade. Later he thought a box cutter could have been used. IIRC it was on Libby.

Big difference.

It's all in the autopsy reports on here that have been posted many times.

If by conveniently you are suggesting bias I will respectfully disagree until I have factual information to support that.

 

[Megnut]

Guessing BW's own phone was among the tower dump, placing him in the crime scene at the time of the murders, one the Defense tried to exploit. BW, who had an entirely innocent reason to be there, and not only wasn't involved but interrupted what RA had started. If only he had known...

JMO

 

[KSwizzle]

I fail to see how a volunteer finding a clerical error would lead to a successful appeal, versus a paid employee finding it. Could you elaborate?

Absolutely, a paid worker of the county/municipality/state working for LE has probably both an explicitly stated and implicit scope of work to do their job to the best of their abilities in line with the guidelines outlined while a volunteer does not. A volunteer doesn’t necessarily have the same repercussions outlined by law and also within the community

A paid for active LE personnel has a much higher standard than a volunteer

 

[BUF]

This will surely be very important to the jury in reaching a conclusion as to the veracity of these confessions and Allen’s mental state.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851724426884354051

From that tweet….For good measure, defense atty Andrew Baldwin hands Weber a subpoena. Sounds like we’ll hear from him again after the state rests its case.

I hope the defense isn’t going to try to insinuate another one of those crazy stories out there.

 

[Tealgrove]

“Wala told the jury Allen said he had been an alcoholic twice since 2011.”

I’ve been a virgin twice since the 1960s.

Once an alcoholic ALWAYS and alcoholic. It doesn’t come and go.

 

[MassGuy]

From that tweet….For good measure, defense atty Andrew Baldwin hands Weber a subpoena. Sounds like we’ll hear from him again after the state rests its case.

I hope the defense isn’t going to try to insinuate another one of those crazy stories out there.

I think they plan on calling him simply to discredit the timing. Who knows though.

 

[MrsWatson]

Absolutely, a paid worker of the county/municipality/state working for LE has probably both an explicitly stated and implicit scope of work to do their job to the best of their abilities in line with the guidelines outlined while a volunteer does not. A volunteer doesn’t necessarily have the same repercussions outlined by law and also within the community

A paid for active LE personnel has a much higher standard than a volunteer

How does that trigger an appeal?

 

[FrostedGlass]

The defense team thought they might have taken RA to Reception Diagnostic Center in Plainfield IN prior to his admission to Westville. I wonder if they had to take him there first in order to get him into the prison. This is the first time I've seen Prozac mentioned.

Wala said when Allen arrived at to the prison he was already on Prozac.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851709641048150164

 

[shonyakay]

From that tweet….For good measure, defense atty Andrew Baldwin hands Weber a subpoena. Sounds like we’ll hear from him again after the state rests its case.

I hope the defense isn’t going to try to insinuate another one of those crazy stories out there.

Poor guy is going to get thrown under the bus by the DT.

 

[tlcya]

The ME originally thought it was a serrated blade not a smooth one like a box cutter, and he just happened to change his opinion conveniently on time to testify at the trial

If I am not mistaken the ME originally said a serrated blade MAY have been used in the murders. Not that one HAD been used. A minor distinction to some, much more significant to others it seems.

He was later asked (after RA confessed to using a box cutter) if a box cutter MAY have been the weapon and he agreed it MAY have been a box cutter.

 

[Inthedetails]

Just to be clear, I am talking about it makes perfect sense in regards to verifying RA's confession that a van driving by spooked him after he kidnapped the girls'.

I know. I jumped off the point, and didn't mean to muddle the convo!

jmo

 

[MrsWatson]

Poor guy is going to get thrown under the bus by the DT.

BW goes to water his folk's plants and gets dragged into a murder case.

 

[Kudzuu]

I was an alcoholic 17 times in 2022.

I laughed out loud at that! I needed a laugh. No disrespect intended. I get in trouble when I use my laughing emoji. I think there can be no misunderstanding at all hence this paragraph rather than a little emoji. (Humor)

 

[shonyakay]

I know. I jumped off the point, and didn't mean to muddle the convo!

jmo

No worries friend.
I just wanted to make it clear that I wasn't in any way trying to imply BW had anything to do with this.

 

[m00c0w]

Absolutely, a paid worker of the county/municipality/state working for LE has probably both an explicitly stated and implicit scope of work to do their job to the best of their abilities in line with the guidelines outlined while a volunteer does not. A volunteer doesn’t necessarily have the same repercussions outlined by law and also within the community

A paid for active LE personnel has a much higher standard than a volunteer

Do you have a source to show that she was not subject to a background check, not made to sign acceptable use forms for electronic systems, not made to sign agreements regarding codes of conduct and policies that apply to her? Any reason to believe she would not fall under the same purview as interns and other such workers that are very commonplace in law enforcement settings?

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

Thanks for that - the link I had looked at to verify my info didn’t specify that it had a pre-trial holding part. However I think it’s overstating it to say it’s outright “not true”.

The untold story behind Israel Keyes' jailhouse suicide

This article states that he bounced back and forth from the mental health unit on the jail side and the maximum security wing of the prison side—when he committed suicide he was in the latter.

So yes, mine was both an oversight and an oversimplification, and for the sake of accuracy I’m glad you brought it up.

Now back to Abby and Libby.

There is no prison side. It is a correctional facility, not a state or federal prison.
There are mental health/suicide watch units and higher security areas in all jails/correctional facilities. Moving them between units does not make one a "prison" side.

I don't dismiss the importance of this, as RA was in an actual prison used for housing convicted felons that have been sentenced to serve time in a prison. Whether one think it is of any consequence or not, I don't know of any attorney that doesn't realize the potential for this to be part of an appeal.
Getting a conviction with less complications in an appeal, is the goal here.

 

[snooptroop88]

Exactly, welcome to the RA show. He's been hiding in plain sight his whole life. He's a vile child murderer who gets zero sympathy from me. He acted out one of his sick fantasies IRL and left Abby and Libby lying dead with their throats cut and bleeding out and went on about his pathetic little life.

A 6 pack sure as heck didn't "cause" him to do this, it was his evil perversions. My sympathy is and will continue to be reserved for the innocent VICTIMS in this case, Abby & Libby and their families.

RA=BG=Kiler=Spineless, sniveling, pathetic, evil excuse of a man IMO.

I hope he never walks a step as a free man again. Yes, LE made mistakes, but that does not in any way diminish or negate the fact of RA's guilt or his punishment.

As always, JMO

Beautifully stated, agreed.

 

[m00c0w]

If I am not mistaken the ME originally said a serrated blade MAY have been used in the murders. Not that one HAD been used. A minor distinction to some, much more significant to others it seems.

He was later asked (after RA confessed to using a box cutter) if a box cutter MAY have been the weapon and he agreed it MAY have been a box cutter.

And most importantly, that the box cutter would account for all marks without needing two knives.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851740869566578999

 

[FrostedGlass]

I think her phone was wet from being in the creek from the point until the next morning when it was dry enough to power back on. I have personally experienced my own I6 submerged in water, but then drying out enough to turn back on.

I think the issue of powering on and off has already been resolved.

The step tracker stopped tracking her steps at 2:32 that afternoon. It was assumed that she was across the creek and did not move after that. Brad didn't get home until 3 or 3:30 (depending on which news source), If she was already dead by 2:32.. ? I can't make that work.