Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #207

[Yuletide]

Fantastic job by the prosecution. Well done. IMO

 

[Boxer]

He didn’t become a pharm tech until later, after the murders. Surely he stopped drinking around that time as well. I don’t recall that anyone said what his job duties were at CVS before that.

Supervisor.

 

[MrsWatson]

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“In the meantime - However, Walla's involvement in the case became a focus during cross-examination. The defense questioned her decision to access the Department of Corrections database and participate in online discussions, podcasts, and social media pages about the case, raising concerns about her impartiality.“

Delphi Double Murder Trial Day 11: Allen's former psychologist takes the stand

DELPHI, Ind. (WLFI) – Day 11 of the Delphi double homicide trial for Richard Allen, accused of the 2017 murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German, got underway Wednesday.

www.wlfi.com

How do we know what their database has in it? Is there info on witnesses? Their statements? Cars noted in the area? I don’t think she helped the states case as much as they hoped. Moo.

How does what she did negate what RA told her? How do we know she knew how to access that specific information?

I think her testimony helped the state tremendously. Having already suffered repercussions from bad judgement, she has no reason to lie on the stand, and there is no evidence that has been presented that shows she has lied.

moo

 

[MrsWatson]

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During cross-examination by defense attorney Bradley Rozzi, Wala acknowledged that she followed Allen's case with interest during her personal time even as she was treating him, a fact she mentioned to her supervisors. But Wala, a true crime fan, also said she followed other cases, and she was able to separate her personal interest from her treatment of Allen.

'I killed Abby and Libby': Prison psychologist says Richard Allen confessed to Delphi murders

"I killed Abby and Libby," Allen reportedly said. "I will kill everyone. I will wipe out everybody," Dr. Monica Wala testified.

eu.indystar.com

 

[StarryStarryNight]

ok, sure, does that excuse the potential violations she committed? I don’t think so, my opinion only

It doesn’t, but that’s not what’s being tried here.
So should a child murderer go free because she was a nosy employee?
She will be dealt with by her employer.

Opinion

Edit: typo

 

[katydid23]

don’t forget the conspiracy that the killer was a woman!

A woman and possibly a blood relative...

 

[Boxer]

Volunteer or paid staff, she’s the individual who is responsible for the break in the case. I only wish there were more people like her, dedicated and committed to assisting with investigations of crimes against children. Hopefully now everyone will properly recognize her as the invaluable resource that she was in this case.

If a sheriffs deputy was not assigned to go over the potentially cleared files, it is egregious dereliction of duty by the sheriff not to have assigned one.
Dispatchers and file clerks are not, and do not have the authority.

 

[fred&edna]

I've decided that there are two "fundamental" things needed to be a really good defense attorney... 1) Good knowledge of the law, and 2) Creativity.

jmo

ETA: Hmmm.... Maybe this just applies to the "influencer" type defense lawyers?

 

[katydid23]

And why not just run away leaving girls, he was so concerned about being disturbed he continued on with his crimes still in broad daylight

They had both seen his face up and close. I don't think he could just run away at that point, as he knew they could ID him.

 

[Arkay]

I understand but I will just have to respectfully agree to disagree with you, it should have been a paid employee doing this work not a volunteer regardless of past work history, important work shouldn't be done by non-active workers, and, someone deserves to be paid for that work

Also with respect for a differing opinion, IMO this is not an issue.

I’ve never lived in a small town with a tiny police department, but I would guess that like any volunteer, KS was pitching in to help catch up on so much paperwork that lay idle, without enough employees to handle the work.

As @MrsWatson said somewhere above, KS would have had to pass background checks when she worked in the vital field of child protection. That career, IMO, provides an implicit trust in her character.

I see it as she was mainly doing data entry as she sorted through thousands of neglected pages, and thank God she found the ESSENTIAL clue. She wasn’t trying on the role of investigator; she found something odd and passed it over to the actual investigators.

As for someone deserving to be paid for that work….volunteers know they are VOLUNTEERING.

Before I was married I volunteered for several years at a Cerebral Palsy center in Manhattan. For no other reason than to help with the patients, even if it was to take wheelchair-bound people to the bathroom or help push their chairs on a field trip.

It wouldn’t have even crossed my mind to be paid.

It’s not equivalent to the precise work of a murder investigation, but again, my view is that KS was helping sort through mountains of tips and it was left to LE to follow through.

Also I have found that volunteers are diligent, because they are doing something out of love and a desire to help.

JMO and experience.

 

[MrsWatson]

It would be really strange if someone who was employed as a mental health therapist who dealt with people convicted of crimes was not a crime hag.

MOO

 

[CDB]

ok, sure, does that excuse the potential violations she committed? I don’t think so, my opinion only

I do not think she has been excused at all. At the very least she was let go from her job. And Rozzi says she is still under investigation. She may yet be charged with something. MOO

"Rozzi tells the jury that Wala used the IDOC database to find information about the case and that the IDOC is investigating her for that. He says this is why she is not at the IDOC right now."
Delphi Murders trial: Day 11 live blog

 

[MrsWatson]

I’ve never lived in a small town with a tiny police department, but I would guess that like any volunteer, KS was pitching in to help catch up on so much paperwork that lay idle, without enough employees to handle the work.

With Delphi being such a small community, I am sure local LE were familiar with her and knew she was a trustworthy person. I think Kathy Shank is a hero. She also found the lost tip on her late husband's birthday. IIRC, he was fairly recently deceased.

A certain dose of kismet or karma, there. Like the rainbow last week.

MOO

 

[katydid23]

Wouldn’t expect anyone to estimate height but something as simple as he was “short” when describing who they saw is something a general description should elicit. IMO

But young teens might not think of him that way, as he was looking down, hunched over w/hands in pockets. And the other witness was driving by in a car---I don't think it's that easy to estimate height in that circumstance either.

BG was the only male that was seen by the only other people known to be in the immediate area. NONE of the witnesses testified that two males were seen in that area at that time. Only BG.

And RA has admitted that HE was there on the bridge at that time, and he never said anything about seeing another male there.

So it seems irrelevant imo, to nitpick about minor details in a witness's description based upon a fleeting memory. There was only one guy there in jeans and a dark coloured carrhart jacket, walking on the bridge with the girls. There is a video corroborating that fact. The defendant also corroborated that fact in his initial, voluntary interview.

Now we have him confessing repeatedly to the brutal crime. That is going to be hard to overcome, IMO.

 

[acehard]

I do not think she has been excused at all. At the very least she was let go from her job. And Rozzi says she is still under investigation. She may yet be charged with something. MOO

"Rozzi tells the jury that Wala used the IDOC database to find information about the case and that the IDOC is investigating her for that. He says this is why she is not at the IDOC right now."
Delphi Murders trial: Day 11 live blog

What case information is in the IDOC database?

 

[MrsWatson]

The whole tall/short thing. I am a tall woman. EVERYONE looks short to me. Any guy under six feet, my first thought is "Oh, he's a wee fella."

I've been tall since I was a kid. I am terrible at judging anyone's height because nearly everyone is short, to me.

 

[ClearAhead]

Supervisor.

Supervisor of what I wonder? The supply room with boxes of boxcutters?

 

[MrsWatson]

What case information is in the IDOC database?

Not familiar with the IDOC database, but it surely wouldn't include ongoing case files? Only sentencing information for convicted people?

 

[photographer4]

How does what she did negate what RA told her? How do we know she knew how to access that specific information?

I think her testimony helped the state tremendously. Having already suffered repercussions from bad judgement, she has no reason to lie on the stand, and there is no evidence that has been presented that shows she has lied.

moo

I don’t think she lied. I just don’t think she helped the state at all. I don’t think those “confessions” were all I hoped for either. My experience says lies are vague and without a lot of details. Truth is full of vivid details. Not that I want them but those things he said to her - sound robotic and devoid of detail imo. I don’t know what to make of it. It’s not BARD for me. Moo.

Also here it says “solitary confinement”. It doesn’t even suggest it was nicer than what other inmates had. Nor do I care if it was. 13. Months. Not cool State! Not cool!! Moo.

“During cross-examination by defense attorney Bradley Rozzi, Wala acknowledged that inmates are meant to be in solitary confinement for a maximum of 30 days. Allen was in solitary confinement for 13 months ― a situation that Wala acknowledged could impact his mental health.“

It also says his placement at westville was expedited. Why was this??

'I killed Abby and Libby': Prison psychologist says Richard Allen confessed to Delphi murders

"I killed Abby and Libby," Allen reportedly said. "I will kill everyone. I will wipe out everybody," Dr. Monica Wala testified.

www.indystar.com

A dog cage??

“Wala confirmed that Allen’s transport in the cubicle, or “dog cage,” as Rozzi put it, was not a pleasant experience.” -

And “Rozzi then said Wala destroyed notes she shouldn’t have, prompting a back-and-forth between the attorney and the doctor. News 8’s Kyla Russell reports that the notes in question were notes she documented during meetings with Allen which she later put together in a word doc.” both quotes from link below.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 11 live blog

Richard Allen, accused of murdering two teenage girls in Delphi, Indiana, is on trial and Day 11 of the trial began with testimony from several witnesses including Steve Mullin, John Galipeau, Ethan Drang, and Michael Clemons.

www.wishtv.com

 

[Kateangelilli]

If this case were in PA it would be very different. When we send mail it goes through a 3rd party processing center where they photo copy, send the copy to the inmate and store the originals. Legal mail is handled the same just sent in to the jail where it is still opened and photocopied and the orginal is stored.
I know states have different ways of handling legal documents but I have a hard time trusting Wala.