Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #207

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NEW MORE DELPHI MURDER TRIAL NOTES:

Confirmed through vehicle registration there was only one 2016 black Ford Focus SE in Carroll County at the time of the murders and it belonged to Richard Allen.

A Ford Focus matching the description of Allen’s vehicle is on camera (retrieved from the Hoosier Harvest Store) driving into frame at 1:27 according to law-enforcement.

Jurors heard from Brad Weber also this afternoon.He is the owner of a home on the south end of Monon High Bridge.

Weber confirmed on the day of the murders at 2:30 in the afternoon he drove up the county road that is his driveway.

Brad Weber has a white van that he was driving at the time.

Back to the testimony earlier today on if it was a man or a van that startled Richard Allen, according to the prosecution’s case they believe it was Weber’s van.

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This is pretty solid for the prosecution. Tomorrows phones calls maybe even more damning. I wonder what the defense has up their sleeve. MOO
 
The wound on the right side of Libby’s neck had five red lines on the edge of the wound. They came out from the wound’s edge and were around 1 mm wide with space between them. These abbrasions are at the center of the discussion about what type of knife could have been used.

In his original autopsy report, Dr. Kohr indicated these marks could mean a serrated knife was used. But, he said as he’s thought more about it in recent months preparing for the trial, he thinks the marks would be more consistent with a handle or something other than a serrated blade.

In court Wednesday, he testified he thinks a boxcutter was the weapon used. The thought came to him, he said, when he saw a boxcutter on his workbench in his garage and the thumb grip had several parallel lines on it that he thinks could have made the marks on Libby.

That was a recent conclusion, though. In his deposition with defense attorneys in February of this year, Kohr said the weapon could have been anything from a pocket knife to a kitchen knife. He did say in the deposition that the wounds were not classic serrations and he was already walking back his serration conclusion from the autopsy reports.
https://www.wane.com/top-stories/he...lood-bridge-guy-witness-testimonies-continue/
I'm inclined to think it was a boxcutter and the grip left the "serrated" pattern. And if you think about that, it means the grip tore into the skin, which indicates how horrific and deep the stabbing and cutting was. Sorry to be graphic, but the detail about the grip not only rings true for the pattern, for weapons choice, but for the violence Libby suffered.

jmo
 
This is pretty solid for the prosecution. Tomorrows phones calls maybe even more damning. I wonder what the defense has up their sleeve. MOO
“Every piece of scientific evidence you’ve heard from experts is actually wrong, now listen to our Odinist expert that got ripped apart on cross a couple of months ago.”
 
It would take BW about 25 mins to get home from his job at Subaru. I am checking out the map in the media thread can someone let me know which one is BW's home?
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One speculation I saw on this was that since DD noted "Who are the 3 girls?" on that tip as something to follow up on that maybe by the time someone saw that, they already ID'd the 3 girls so it was filed as "cleared" because it was believed that was the follow up that was needed and it was already established who they were.

The volunteer was reading the tips even though it said cleared. I think she was inputting them into the computer and she noticed the man put himself on the trail at the time in question even though it said cleared. So she notified someone.
Volunteer or paid staff, she’s the individual who is responsible for the break in the case. I only wish there were more people like her, dedicated and committed to assisting with investigations of crimes against children. Hopefully now everyone will properly recognize her as the invaluable resource that she was in this case.
 
Volunteer or paid staff, she’s the individual who is responsible for the break in the case. I only wish there were more people like her, dedicated and committed to assisting with investigations of crimes against children. Hopefully now everyone will properly recognize her as the invaluable resource that she was in this case.
And at the DCS unlike someone else (Todd Click). This woman is the hero he wished he was. Round of applause.
 
I'm inclined to think it was a boxcutter and the grip left the "serrated" pattern. And if you think about that, it means the grip tore into the skin, which indicates how horrific and deep the stabbing and cutting was. Sorry to be graphic, but the detail about the grip not only rings true for the pattern, for weapons choice, but for the violence Libby suffered.

jmo
Yep. Nasty thought here for sure, but I imagine a violent motion from an angry, violent murderer.
 
So, Libby films BG and Down the Hill at 2:13.

BW leaves work at 2:02 as a 1st shift worker at Subaru--likely has to punch in and out w/timecard/employee number or scan a keycard. He says it takes 20-25 min to arrive to his parents' house. So he could be arriving anytime between 2:22 and 2:30.

2:31 cell phone shows change in longitude, altitude and elevation
2:32 p.m. is the last known movement of the phone.

 
The psychologist admits she was following the case through podcasts and social media before her involvement, that alone she should have disqualified herself, she did not. She is being investigated for trying to and maybe? (Still reading what happened today) accessing documents she was not allowed and or supposed to access. She was also while talking with RA actively listening to podcasts and reading social media on the case. She also might have been sharing sensitive information about RA online.

I mean, come on, where do we draw the line of inappropriate behaviour here and she’s allowed to testify to him confessing, all my opinions only
 
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The psychologist admits she was following the case through podcasts and social media before her involvement, that alone she should have disqualified herself, she did not. She is being investigated for trying to and maybe? (Still reading what happened today) accessing documents she was not allowed and or supposed to access. She was also while talking with RA actively listening to podcasts and reading social media on the case. She also didn’t disclose this information when she found out he was going to be in her scope of work, and she also might have been sharing sensitive information online about RA

I mean, come on, where do we draw the line of inappropriate behaviour here and she’s allowed to testify to him confessing, all my opinions only
From my understanding, that information has been disclosed to the jury and the jury will decide how to weigh her testimony.

jmo
 
The psychologist admits she was following the case through podcasts and social media before her involvement, that alone she should have disqualified herself, she did not. She is being investigated for trying to and maybe? (Still reading what happened today) accessing documents she was not allowed and or supposed to access. She was also while talking with RA actively listening to podcasts and reading social media on the case. She also didn’t disclose this information when she found out he was going to be in her scope of work, and she also might have been sharing sensitive information online about RA

I mean, come on, where do we draw the line of inappropriate behaviour here and she’s allowed to testify to him confessing, all my opinions only

RA was her patient. She was genuinely smiling at RA at the three day hearings according to those in attendance. While treating him she gave him encouragement, told him he had supporters on the outside, and urged him not to talk to others about his case except to his attorneys.
 
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“In the meantime - However, Walla's involvement in the case became a focus during cross-examination. The defense questioned her decision to access the Department of Corrections database and participate in online discussions, podcasts, and social media pages about the case, raising concerns about her impartiality.“


How do we know what their database has in it? Is there info on witnesses? Their statements? Cars noted in the area? I don’t think she helped the states case as much as they hoped. Moo.
 
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“In the meantime - However, Walla's involvement in the case became a focus during cross-examination. The defense questioned her decision to access the Department of Corrections database and participate in online discussions, podcasts, and social media pages about the case, raising concerns about her impartiality.“


How do we know what their database has in it? Is there info on witnesses? Their statements? Cars noted in the area? I don’t think she helped the states case as much as they hoped. Moo.
Why would the DOC database have sealed discovery documents in it? No, the scenario being suggested is so improbable it’s pretty much impossible.

JMO
 
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“In the meantime - However, Walla's involvement in the case became a focus during cross-examination. The defense questioned her decision to access the Department of Corrections database and participate in online discussions, podcasts, and social media pages about the case, raising concerns about her impartiality.“


How do we know what their database has in it? Is there info on witnesses? Their statements? Cars noted in the area? I don’t think she helped the states case as much as they hoped. Moo.
What would the DOC have discovery evidence in their database?
 
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“In the meantime - However, Walla's involvement in the case became a focus during cross-examination. The defense questioned her decision to access the Department of Corrections database and participate in online discussions, podcasts, and social media pages about the case, raising concerns about her impartiality.“


How do we know what their database has in it? Is there info on witnesses? Their statements? Cars noted in the area? I don’t think she helped the states case as much as they hoped. Moo.

So you are insinuating Wala imparted discovery evidence to RA to get him to confess the crime to others, yet she told him not to talk to anyone about his case except to his attorney's?
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