Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #207

[shonyakay]

If it's proven RA didn't have access to the information he confessed to, everyone should come to the realization that he is guilty.
Unfortunately even then, some wouldn't.

 

[heartandsoul]

He certainly wouldn’t be the first to choose to go down the insanity route once realising what was against him.

 

[ClearAhead]

I don’t drink and neither do most of the people I know, so I recognize that I’m not one to know how many drinks and what kind of alcohol would cause someone to feel unfettered in his or her actions.

I suspect it differs according to each individual, anyway.

Yet from what I glean here, it certainly seems that RA was just drunk enough to lower his inhibitions and yet still be capable of kidnap and murder.

What an atrocious balance.

I have, on the subway, encountered people who smell like alcohol, but that’s in an enclosed space and is fleeting.

Tragically I would presume that Abby and Libby were the only ones enduring the physical contact with him long enough to smell alcohol, and they can’t tell us.

However, Richard Allen can, and has now told us all.

JMO

Another variable is combining alcohol with virtually any type of prescription dealing with mental health as it can cause unpredictable behavior. JMO

 

[Bbgiraffe]

If he did this and then is explaining it as matter of factly as "yeah went and saw my parents, drank some beers, abducted and murdered two girls......"

He should never be on the streets again. Ever.

 

[BexLuth0r]

Would the van interruption be in discovery? Or is that something only RA would know?

 

[Han]

Another nail in the timeline. Scared off by the van on the driveway at 3:30, seen by SC at 3:57 along W300N. The house at the end of the driveway visible from the crime scene.

ETA: last known movement of Libby’s phone (tucked under Abby’s body) 2:30

 

[arielilane]

The jury also heard from a warden and several corrections officers about “confessions” Allen made regarding the Delphi murders. At one point, Allen said he killed the girls with a box cutter and disposed of it in a CVS dumpster.

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In an April 13 report, Wala said Allen’s behavior became stranger, with him lying in and consuming feces. She believed he was having an “emotional breakdown from guilt” and believed the behavior surfaced after he saw discovery evidence.

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/i-just-want-to-sign-my-confession-richard-allen-gives-his-account-of-delphi-murders-to-prison-psychologist/

 

[Skigh]

Another variable is combining alcohol with virtually any type of prescription dealing with mental health as it can cause unpredictable behavior. JMO

And RA would have access to medicine without needing it to be prescribed by a doctor,

 

[acutename]

Re: witnesses not being able to estimate RA's height....

I am very bad at guesstimating distances or measurements. When witnesses saw him, the only real comparison would have been with trees alongside the path which would make it even harder, imo. It's not like he was standing beside something with a distinct height so witnesses could say if he was taller or shorter than it (like a 6' high fence, for example). Plus, I think attitude and projection can skew perception, so if he was seen as grumpy or scary or menacing, that might make a witness think he's taller. All MOO.

boots could add a few inches to his apparent height-

 

[Arkay]

The next report is from April 10, 2023. Wala tells the jury that she noticed “faking” symptoms. She said Allen was naked during this meeting, that there were papers on the floor and was doing “unknown things” to his penis and talking about his wife

Was there a guard or someone with Dr. Wala during this meeting?

I can’t recall, but without protection this seems to me to be potentially dangerous for Wala.

Alone with an accused murderer, particularly one who is being interviewed while naked and doing something sketchy with his penis in her presence?

I understand she emerged safely, but as a woman this sends those familiar tentacles of fear down my spine.

JMO

 

[Melted]

If it's proven RA didn't have access to the information he confessed to, everyone should come to the realization that he is guilty.
Unfortunately even then, some wouldn't.

Yes, as I’ve said. If he did confess to information only the killer would know I will in an instant flip from I don’t know to guilty and say put him in general population and let him face justice in there, slowly.

That has not happened yet, to my knowledge.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

And RA would have access to medicine without needing it to be prescribed by a doctor,

What? How exactly?

 

[NoeticSoul]

What? How exactly?

worked in a pharmacy

 

[Ravenmoon]

I’m not OP but had questions as to what was in the discovery? Crime scene photos? Autopsy reports? What did he have access to already?

I don’t know- but if he had access to details or photos that would make a difference- I’m just ignorant of what all he would have received in “discovery” -

I understand
But even with discovery, even with a lot of facts, certain things can only be explained by the murderer.

For instance:

LE knew that Abby and Libby were forced off the bridge. Then they walked through the creek to the spot that they were murdered.

By RA saying that the reason they crossed the creek is because he was spooked by someone pulling into the Weber's driveway in a while van is not a coincidence. It shows that he filled in the blanks, that he why was there and identified the van and the time it happened.

It explains why he didn't rape them, but that was his intention.

To NOT believe him, IMO, is blind faith that I can't grasp.

 

[FrostedGlass]

I've read a lot about serial killers, and although Allen is not by definition a serial killer, I believed that the killer here was behaving as one (sexually motivated). I believed this crime was committed by a (mostly) disorganized offender. Guys like that tend to have substance abuse problems, mental illness, and a history of sexual abuse (Funny enough Allen checks all 3 boxes).

So I wasn't focused on him being an alcoholic and this happening, I was focused on him being like a mostly disorganized serial killer, which made substance abuse very likely.

Organized Versus Disorganized Serial Predators

At the heart of criminal profiling is the idea that serial killer crime scenes can be classified as either "organized" or "disorganized" in presentation.

www.psychologytoday.com

I look at Indiana cases more than others and meth seems to be a common factor in the heinous crimes. So RA really didn't fit. I've seen no evidence of sexual abuse in court cases; I'm not sure how much weight to put on that confession, especially someone who claimed to cheat with a cigarette. How on earth...? MOO

I don't know the degree of his "mental illness" when he was out. I've known 3 people who committed suicide but none of them had records for sexual abuse. Depression is pretty common but I don't know that makes people go out and do violent things to others. MOO

Thanks for your reply.

 

[vinayd]

If I could make mention, you are not getting crime scene photos in a murder discovery. IME.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

worked in a pharmacy

Not sure how pharmacies work in your area, but working at a CVS is not the same thing as working “in a pharmacy”
And even if he was a pharmacy tech - he would NOT have access to medication without an RX-

Pharmacy Federal Rules and Regulations - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

 

[katydid23]

It’s also odd to me that not a single person there that day described the man as being that short-that would stick out to me more than anything just as if I saw an unusually tall man

If he was wearing work boots or lifts he would have looked 2 or 3 inches taller. And the witnesses on the trail were very young/teens. Their ability to estimate height is probably not great. Their reference is teen boys which are quite ofter 5 foot 4 or 5 themselves. I don't think a man wearing hiking boots would look that unusually short to a group of teen girls, IMO

 

[Melted]

I understand
But even with discovery, even with a lot of facts, certain things can only be explained by the murderer.

For instance:

LE knew that Abby and Libby were forced off the bridge. Then they walked through the creek to the spot that they were murdered.

By RA saying that the reason they crossed the creek is because he was spooked by someone pulling into the Weber's driveway in a while van is not a coincidence. It shows that he filled in the blanks, that he why was there and identified the van and the time it happened.

It explains why he didn't rape them, but that was his intention.

To NOT believe him, IMO, is blind faith that I can't grasp.

Is there corroboration that BW was driving a white van? From what I have heard BW arrived at 3:30, this would not have been able to be what spooked ra across the creek since the last movements on Libby’s phone were 2:32

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[NoeticSoul]

Not sure how pharmacies work in your area, but working at a CVS is not the same thing as working “in a pharmacy”
And even if he was a pharmacy tech - he would NOT have access to medication without an RX-

Pharmacy Federal Rules and Regulations - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

He can steal them though. moo

eta: he had no problem stealing from the store by giving away 'free photos'.