Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #212

[katydid23]

Exactly.

He compared photographs under a microscope.

 What's he hoping to compare? Pixelation at ridiculous amplification?

What science supports that for ballistics comparisons?

Not impressed.

JMO

I'm so glad this is a very intelligent jury. Waiting for any questions they might have...

 

[detectivewannab]

Delphi Murders trial: Day 16 live blog

Day 16 in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen begins Tuesday at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Follow our live blog for the latest updates.

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Auger asks Eldridge to explain what a ‘ping’ is. She says it is a technical way to have one device see if another device is there. She says AT&T is repeatedly trying to ping Libby’s phone after 5:44 p.m. on Feb. 13, but is not successful until 4:33 a.m. on Feb. 14.

Eldridge says she doesn’t know why the phone did not ping in that time frame, even though it was under Abby’s back and was stationary. She says “I can only conclude something external happened to the phone.” That it could have been moved, blocked by metal or have been blocked from the tower.

Eldridge is asked about the phone’s health data. She says she agrees with what Cecil found about the data on the steps. She says iPhones will not log steps if you are in a car or if the phone is powered off.

Eldridge says she now knows that at 5:45:44 p.m. on Feb 13. to 10:32 p.m. that night that the phone had wired headphones plugged in. She demonstrates headphones being plugged into an iPhone 6S.

She says it could also have been an auxiliary cord for a car that was plugged into the phone. “I cannot think of any explanation that does not involve humans,” she tells the jury.

Maybe she should use Google lime the rest of us! It took someone on here very little time to figure out what happened.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

My guess is they're going to try to imply that the photos and the video of RA/BG from that day were somehow manipulated and placed on the Libby's phone.

Which, yeah, no.

MOO

Ok- what?!?
I’d follow, maybe (ok, probably not) but “maybe”if it was an actual photo vs an upside down and backwards video with a grainy still extracted from it later …
And maybe (very slight maybe) if the D was trying to say the phone was active and or handled between 2:45p and midnight for instance

But are they trying to claim that photos/video were added via an Aux cable? Really?

I’m obviously missing something- moo

 

[ClearAhead]

She answered No to the water question.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 16 live blog

Day 16 in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen begins Tuesday at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Follow our live blog for the latest updates.

www.wishtv.com

At 3:35 McLeland starts cross-examination again. Eldridge says that it takes “a little bit of movement” for a phone to start logging movements.

The jury asked the following questions:

1. Did you ever write your own timeline? Eldridge said “no, not enough time.”
2. Could any of this be related to Libby’s iPad? Eldridge says they were not synced.
3. Would water impact movement? Eldridge says no, that water would not impact the port.
4. Can you tell if the phone was on silent or vibrate? Eldridge says no.
5. Could you review Allen’s historical location timeline if he was using a “Ting” phone? She says she could if it was available.
6. Are there other apps that measure movement? She says yes, but did not look to see if Libby had them.

Court is in recess at 3:45 p.m.

 

[MassGuy]

dbm

 

[steeltowngirl]

I am probably missing something-- I understand that the iPhone might "think" headphones are plugged in--- but, why the specific time(s)?

I asked google and this is what it said

Headphone notifications
Yes, iPhones can note when headphones are plugged in and provide headphone audio notifications:

These notifications are available on the Summary screen of the Health app. Depending on the region, Headphone Notifications may be on by default and may not be able to be turned off. To turn Headphone Notifications on or off, go to Settings > Sounds & Haptics > Headphone Safety.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Auger asks if the FBI knew how to do this in 2017. Eldridge says “theoretically.”

This made me giggle.

 

[Warwick7]

At 3:09 p.m. prosecutor Nick McLeland starts cross-examination. he asks Eldridge about her training on cell phone extraction. She says this is the first time she has testified about cell phone extraction, other than in July.

She tells the jury she got a “rough location” on where the bodies were found and where the phone was found. She says she did not go to the crime scene.

Eldridge says she did not review every bit on info gathered by Cecil and focused most on health data. She says she did review the bridge guy video and agreed with the video’s time stamp and GPS location. She says she did not examine it enough to know the GPS location changed four seconds into the video.

Eldridge explains that there has to be up and down movement to track motion by the phone, but still says the phone would not have logged it if it were in a car. She says she did not find evidence that the phone had been turned off.

She says the phone was in and out of service before 5:45 p.m. on Feb. 13. She says it “could be an explanation” that Libby’s phone was just “hopping in and out of service and got service at 4:33 a.m. on Feb. 14.”

McLeland asks Eldridge if the phone would have had to be moved to plug in headphones. He asks if it could have registered it in the health data. Eldridge says that could be the case, but she did not test that.

She says there also could have been a signal blocker, like metal in a building.

On re-direct Eldridge says she “reviewed the most important information in the number of hours she had.” Auger asks her if the FBI ever did a “drive study,” which is a study that includes driving around to see what signal you get in what places. Auger asks if the FBI knew how to do this in 2017. Eldridge says “theoretically.”

Delphi Murders trial: Day 16 live blog

Day 16 in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen begins Tuesday at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Follow our live blog for the latest updates.

www.wishtv.com

"She says the phone was in and out of service before 5:45 p.m. on Feb. 13. She says it “could be an explanation” that Libby’s phone was just “hopping in and out of service and got service at 4:33 a.m. on Feb. 14.”

Yup!! Agreed!!

 

[Deleted member 296739]

What are “pool notes” and why aren’t they answered? TIA

The press pool notes don’t indicate what the answer to the question was- maybe more info tonight in the debriefs - moo

 

[m00c0w]

She answered No to the water question.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 16 live blog

Day 16 in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen begins Tuesday at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Follow our live blog for the latest updates.

www.wishtv.com

At 3:35 McLeland starts cross-examination again. Eldridge says that it takes “a little bit of movement” for a phone to start logging movements.

The jury asked the following questions:

1. Did you ever write your own timeline? Eldridge said “no, not enough time.”
2. Could any of this be related to Libby’s iPad? Eldridge says they were not synced.
3. Would water impact movement? Eldridge says no, that water would not impact the port.
4. Can you tell if the phone was on silent or vibrate? Eldridge says no.
5. Could you review Allen’s historical location timeline if he was using a “Ting” phone? She says she could if it was available.
6. Are there other apps that measure movement? She says yes, but did not look to see if Libby had them.

Court is in recess at 3:45 p.m.

What on earth? If that is accurately reported, this is incredibly bad testimony and ripe for rebuttal from the prosecution.

JMO

 

[Davemac1]

I'm really struggling to see what his defense are trying to prove here?
All they need to do is get him out of the trails at the time the girls were walking towards the bridge.
Providing wild theories and very sketchy expert witnesses for things they really don't need to be getting involved with is madness.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I'm really struggling to see what his defense are trying to prove here?
All they need to do is get him out of the trails at the time the girls were walking towards the bridge.
Providing wild theories and very sketchy expert witnesses for things they really don't need to be getting involved with is madness.

Welcome to the Delphi trial

 

[m00c0w]

Can you please direct me to the testimony about Libby's phone being water damaged?

Well, they were marched through a creek, Abby’s clothes were wet, and the phone was found under Abby. Call it an educated guess.

 

[Warwick7]

She answered No to the water question.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 16 live blog

Day 16 in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen begins Tuesday at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Follow our live blog for the latest updates.

www.wishtv.com

At 3:35 McLeland starts cross-examination again. Eldridge says that it takes “a little bit of movement” for a phone to start logging movements.

The jury asked the following questions:

1. Did you ever write your own timeline? Eldridge said “no, not enough time.”
2. Could any of this be related to Libby’s iPad? Eldridge says they were not synced.
3. Would water impact movement? Eldridge says no, that water would not impact the port.
4. Can you tell if the phone was on silent or vibrate? Eldridge says no.
5. Could you review Allen’s historical location timeline if he was using a “Ting” phone? She says she could if it was available.
6. Are there other apps that measure movement? She says yes, but did not look to see if Libby had them.

Court is in recess at 3:45 p.m.

Impact movement?
Idk about that, but for me it impacted my wet cell telling me my wire earplugs were in. And it impacted me enough for I had to get a new phone.

 

[Teche]

It’s extremely difficult to follow a trial when cameras are not allowed in the courtroom. I appreciate the dedicated WS posters who’ve provided updates, insight and links. You’re truly devoted to achieving justice for Abby and Libby. Many thanks!

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Based on more detailed reporting, I'm thinking you are spot on:

Plugging the phone in prevented sound from coming out of the device, Eldridge said, and there was an unanswered incoming call milliseconds before the cable was inserted.

New details about Libby's phone and the impact of isolation: What defense revealed to jurors

Jurors in the trial of Richard Allen heard from a parade of experts whose testimonies are meant to challenge some of the state's strongest evidence.

www.indystar.com

Interesting info. I sure hope the jurors voted early!

 

[TristanP]

Nah, don’t. I was teasing. I hadn’t considered the idea until I saw your post, though, and immediately I thought, “Yes - possible!” I’ve helped a few people in my time move image files over to computers from their phones using their phone cords.

Using headphone cords?

 

[steeltowngirl]

But are they trying to claim that photos/video were added via an Aux cable? Really?

No. I suggested that as a potential conspiracy theory. Please disregard. Too many have already grown legs.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

It’s extremely difficult to follow a trial when cameras are not allowed in the courtroom. I appreciate the dedicated WS posters who’ve provided updates, insight and links. You’re truly devoted to achieving justice for Abby and Libby. Many thanks!

I agree 100%.

 

[Davemac1]

Not just water. Dust and debris can also cause the issue of the phone thinking there is a lead in the headphone jack when there isn't
Can this witness rule out it wasn't a fault that has been commonly reported regarding this phone brand?
Was the phone experiencing the issue prior to the 13th Feb?